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pud
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Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 2, 2014 - 08:59pm PT
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Allied Climbers of San Diego (ACSD) response and recommendations for Angeles Nation Forest scoping letter campaign.
http://alliedclimbers.org/access-issues/action-alerts/103-action-alert-williamson
This is the correct email address to send your comments and questions regarding the possible re-opening of Williamson Rock to public recreation.
comments-pacificsouthwest-angeles@fs.fed.us
I received a postcard today from the Angeles National Forest Interdisciplinary Team Leader Jose Henriques acknowledging this correction.
If you have already responded to the ANF's recent request for public input on the Williamson rock issue, please take the time to forward your response to the corrected email address above.
It is imperative we keep the initial momentum of the ANF's recent efforts to reopen Williamson Rock to Public recreation.
We are getting support from many sides on this issue and I will keep it front page as much as possible. Current ANF Supervisor Tom Contreras is aware that the time has finally come for action.
He needs to act and lead the efforts to reopen this public land and he knows it.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Hey Pud.. can you recheck that addy? It's not working. Thanks
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 3, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
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I just confirmed comments-pacificsouthwest-angeles@fs.fed.us is the correct and working address for questions and comments regarding the recent SOPA letter described here:
http://a123.g.akamai.net/7/123/11558/abc123/forestservic.download.akamai.com/11558/www/nepa/97680_FSPLT3_1464646.pdf
Basically they want to know what concerns and problems the public may have with their proposed actions.
This is the first of 2 public comment periods scheduled. The next one will be after the environmental impact report has been done sometime in late summer/fall.
Since requesting public comment, they have received a little more than a dozen replies. We need to make it a few hundred or more if we want to be heard.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 3, 2014 - 10:12pm PT
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Along with a personal note as to why I believe Williamson Rock should be re-opened to climbers, I submitted these concerns with the current SOPA letter.
Williamson Rock and the Angeles National Forest Service
Schedule of Proposed Actions (SOPA)
CONCERNS:
*Implement a long-term closure of segments of the MYLF Designated Critical Habitat (DCH) and adjacent areas that have historically provided direct human access into the DCH. This includes closure of all stream-based rock climbing routes (e.g. the “Stream Wall” and
“London Wall”), as well as the area of “user-created” braided trails and paths along scree
slopes between CA-2 and Williamson Rock.
This seems reasonable. Proof should be provided from investigating biologists of how and why they believe the frogs use these particular areas.
*Construct a “soft” physical barrier (e.g., cable barrier bolted/anchored into rock at stream banks) along the interface of the Williamson Rock staging area and Little Rock Creek.
Streams and canyons throughout the Angeles National Forest are littered with debris (cables, rebar, concrete, railing, anchors, fencing, etc.) that were once part of various construction efforts that were considered "good ideas" at the time by the Forest Service. This should be taken into consideration before construction of any further man made barriers.
*Implement a seasonal closure of the Williamson Rock climbing area from January 1 to
August 15, to minimize impacts to MYLF and/or peregrine falcons during breeding/nesting
seasons. Seasonal restrictions may be extended if monitoring feedback indicates the need.
Any necessity for seasonal closure should be explained in detail as to exactly how and why this will benefit the MYLF. Peregrine falcon nesting has been observed in the Eagles Roost buttress area for decades and climbers have always respected this and avoided the area during this time on a voluntary basis. A seasonal closure for this reason alone is unnecessary.
I believe dogs should not be allowed at Williamson Rock due to waste disposal issues.
The additional actions outlined in this proposal such as human waste management, scree slope (old trail) rehabilitation, boundaries, signage and limited use area(s) seem reasonable and should be developed in a way that will provide as much protection as possible to the endangered MYLF.
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Sincerely,**
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Williamson bump.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 4, 2014 - 05:03pm PT
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Thanks FD !
I'm going to be a real nuisance around here and will try to keep this up front for the next few weeks.
Now that the Forest Service is finally doing something pro active in regards to this closure, it would be a shame for the lack of climber involvement and apathy to keep this wonderful area closed to recreation.
I spoke with ANF team leader Jose Heriquez yesterday and his words were they (the responses) are trickling in but I'm assuming it's because of the holidays. I think I'll be getting a flood of responses soon
comments-pacificsouthwest-angeles@fs.fed.us
http://a123.g.akamai.net/7/123/11558/abc123/forestservic.download.akamai.com/11558/www/nepa/97680_FSPLT3_1464646.pdf
It only takes a couple of minutes. Please take the time to help.
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goatboy smellz
climber
लघिमा
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Email sent, always wanted to climb there when it was open although never had time and now it's closed, we are missing out.
Maybe post this info over on Mountain Project, Summit Post and RC.noob.
There are more climbers on those sites than here and the more folks that can help
all the better for gaining positive emails to reopen the crag.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 4, 2014 - 10:52pm PT
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Good advice bump.
I posted at all sites mentioned.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
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Waterfall Wall bump
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 6, 2014 - 09:56pm PT
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WR Rescue bump
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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The ANF can go eat s&it.... the proposed CLIMBING they are offering is Not Workable. The London Wall, Stream Wall and Waterfall are the places to climb at Willie.
Without those spots one might as well climb at the Tunnels.
Wake up... give em the finger.
It would be better NOT to EVER climb there again than to accect this piss poor "solution"
I don't think the ANF has the $$$$$$$ or the brains to manage anything.
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Climberdude
Trad climber
Fresno, CA
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Comments sent. I am glad they are considering re-opening this area.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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It would be a shame to lose the stream wall and London wall but there are plenty of other places to climb. Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater. I have been climbing at Williamson probably longer than most here on ST, I started climbing there around 1978 with my dad who climbed there in the mid 1960's. I have a deep connection with the place spending many nights in the old sawmill cabin upstream from the rock, skiing and ice climbing there for years before it ever became a well known climbing area. I think giving up a section of the rock near the stream is a small price to pay to have access to the rest of the area. Now that I have kids I hope to be able to share the area with them just as my dad did with me.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2014 - 11:17am PT
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Christy on Waterfall Wall bump
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 10, 2014 - 05:16pm PT
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Williamson 5.11 bump
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Jan 10, 2014 - 06:51pm PT
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The Shaman is a fun route, it was one of the earlier routes we put up, in fact the Generation wall was the first area at Williamson I had ever used an electric drill. I had been putting up bolted routes on lead for years at Williamson but they were long runout affairs on the main face and over by the Sick Wall. Getting a Bosch was the beginning of the end :)
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2014 - 02:45pm PT
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Not found @ Williamson,,, bump
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Jan 13, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
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Pud,
do you know what route(s) the falcon nest is near?
Above Being there?
I think any seasonal closure should at most be only the routes very near the nest, absolutely not the whole crag. The falcons are not sensitive to climbers further away or out of sight of the nest.
I don't see a good way to open the London Wall / stream wall/ Mushroom/ Stash areas that start right out of the stream. The frogs need to be able to move between upstream & downstream of the crag.
Sections like Waterfall, Freezer burn, Headwall, Main Wall, etc. are all plenty far enough away from the stream & frogs.
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