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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 28, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
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Nevada is killing Tahoe bears rather than transplanting them. They have chosen to trap and kill them, and there is a better way.
Glenbrook has asked that their area bears be killed, and NDOW is complying. Glenbrook refuses to enforce compliance in regards to garbage issues, thereby excaserbating the problem.
This is wrong.
Let's give a sh#t about bears.
Let's coexist.
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Jun 28, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
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Maybe relocate the suburbanites back to the cities?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
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That's the better option, but highly unlikely.
Glenbrook is chock full of rich second homeowners.
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burntheman
Trad climber
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Jun 28, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
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it's tragic. when people (tourists mostly) encounter 'problem' bears they call a NDOW or a different gov. organazition, maybe even the sheriffs department, and the NDOW responds. their response is generally to kill the animal.
there was just a discussion about this on local NPR. a lady from the bear league i believe, urged people to call their organization so they could coach people through non lethal bear removal techniques, you know, like yelling.
according to the bear league website no black bear has ever killed a human in CA or NV.
sadly, this is nothing new for gov. wildlife management organizations. across the country people in these gov. wildlife management positions are slaughtering rather than managing wildlife. http://www.predatordefense.org/
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 28, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
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I live in Monrovia, CA,a city of about 40,000 about ten minutes east of Pasadena, on the edge of an urban area inhabited by tens of millions. Behind us is the Angeles National Forest, home to many bears and mountain lions and all sorts of other wildlife. These animals are regular visitors, and especially the bears are very fond of garbage.
The previous owners of our house were sloppy with trash. When we moved in we had a bear problem. I cleaned up the area where the cans are kept and got a bear proof garbage bin. Nothing which has food odors goes in the recycle can. Today, the bears come through my yard but don't bother to stop. They are on their way to my stupid neighbors who leave trash available.
This little one came through the patio a couple weeks ago. It walked right by my garbage without even trying to get in and sauntered on down for a meal down the hill.
I suppose that once in a rare while a problem bear might need to be tragically killed, but the great part of the problem with bears is due to lazy stupid people.
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julton
climber
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Jun 28, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
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Hasn't the black bear population in California doubled in the last twenty years? I'm not advocating for culling them but it's not as if they're an endangered species.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 28, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
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Solem...Send those blackies down to Reilly's house so he can get some more window pics...RJ
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
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I suppose that once in a rare while a problem bear might need to be tragically killed, but the great part of the problem with bears is due to lazy stupid people.
Yes. A fed bear is a dead bear. I've always lived by those words.
must be quite a water bill washing your recycleables before putting them out
You're pretty good at playing devils advocate. In this case, rinsing a can uses less water than washing a glass or mug.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jun 28, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
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Lemme see if got this correct....
Humans cause the problem (garbage)
Then humans take out their frustrations on the bears
Society is anthropocentric, thank the church for that. As long as the universe revolves around god's likeness, what's wrong with dispatching some vermin?
It is going to require a major paradigm shift to solve this problem.
BTW, interesting trivia fact:
In West Virginia 3,000 to 4,000 bears are killed every year during bear season.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jun 28, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
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That's some interesting logic.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 28, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
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If all you bleeding hearts want to concede the human condition as king of the jungle to a few problem bears their is a position available for you in many a location in Ak. They miss Treadwell's singing at dinner time, come on up and we'll drop you off in a good location.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
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You guys are talking about reaction rather than prevention.
Why?
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jun 28, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
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You guys are talking about reaction rather than prevention.
Why?
Prevention would require that human beings believe that humans must share the earth with other animals. Historically humans have been taught that they must dominate the planet.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 29, 2013 - 12:06am PT
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Ron...I think i've seen some snowcocks down here...? Do they have snowboards and pants that let their cracks show...? RJ
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burntheman
Trad climber
slt
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Jun 29, 2013 - 01:16am PT
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What legitimate and responsible local homeowners are having their homes broken into? And repeatedly? I've not heard of anyone. You're blowin hot air.
Some tourists did just throw salmon on the lawn of their vacation rental to bait them, though.
And I didn't blame the NDOW for the problem. I just passed along that their policy for bear mgmt. might be more along the lines of extermination instead of relocation. Nevermind educating the homeowner/visitor.
And Rick, it's a california black bear. They ask politely to eat the picnic you left out.
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cms
Trad climber
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Jun 29, 2013 - 01:30am PT
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Bears have been killed and cleared from living areas since before the mayflower.
You meant the bears living areas right?
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John M
climber
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Jun 29, 2013 - 01:38am PT
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Is the guy in Mammoth still working with bears? I liked what I saw on a program about him, but don't really know much about the problem. What do the folks on the east side think about that bear guy?
http://www.thebearwhisperer.com
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burntheman
Trad climber
slt
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Jun 29, 2013 - 01:51am PT
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You meant the bears living areas right?
No, he doesn't. That's why we can't have a sensible discussion.
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Jun 29, 2013 - 09:41am PT
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"The amount of bears that actually become problem bears is MINISCULE compared to their total numbers, as Ron has stated so eloquently upthread."
And the number of bears killed by cars at Tahoe far surpasses that of bears killed by NDOW; vehicle-killed bears are up twenty-fold since they started keeping track in the mid-90s. That should give you a sense of just how many bears there are these days.
And I know lots of responsible owners that have had their homes broken into. Lots.
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Deekaid
climber
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Jun 29, 2013 - 10:54am PT
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To think it all started in Jellystone with a pic-a-nic basket.
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