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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 12, 2012 - 12:33pm PT
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The weekend of October 13th/14th will be the time, Creek Pasture the place for the 4th Annual Indian Creek Volunteer Day.
BLM co-ordinator Bob Lever (a great friend to climbers) has lined up some tasty projects mostly in the Creek Pasture/ Superbowl campground areas. Come help protect and restore these areas and further build the climber/ land manager relationship in Indian Creek!
On Saturday we work and on Sunday we play.
What you get:
Reserved camping Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights at Creek Pasture.
Free World famous Bison or Veggie Burger barbeque on Saturday night.
Wonderful tales (some even true) around a crackling oak fire.
Meet new clmbing friends.
Free T-shirts from the BLM
Crack climbing clinics on Sunday and a chance to climb with your new friends.
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most of all
the great feeling from a job well done. At past events participants have always been amazed at what they have accomplished.
Please RSVP Jim Donini at (jimdonini43@gmail.com) with your bison/veggie preferance
Can't wait to see you there!
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 12, 2012 - 01:52pm PT
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Stewardship. What a concept. This is a worthy project, Jim. Are you sure you don't believe in an higher ideal? I can't be there, but I support you in spirit.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 12, 2012 - 02:45pm PT
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Hmmm...
Interesting...
I'll try to make it, can't guarantee it.
Were I to go to Colorado
Would ya like to follow me?
Would ya come from California
With a banjo on yer knee?
Remember yer dealin' with the whimsy of der Mouse.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2012 - 09:42pm PT
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Bump for the evening crowd.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Sep 12, 2012 - 09:52pm PT
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Donini! I can be there! Heidi likely won't.
Let me know if I can help out on food or drink?
I can hardly wait to be dragged up an Indian Creek crack.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2012 - 11:11pm PT
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You are on Ray...I'll give you a call!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2012 - 09:27am PT
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Time to go to the Creek!
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Karla
climber
Colorado
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Sep 13, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
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Yo Donini!
Where's the salmon & asparagus option? We will definitely try and make it out there for this!
Thanks for being the Indian Creek stewardship pusherman!
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Sep 13, 2012 - 10:00pm PT
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My old climbing buddy Mark M has signed up too. He enjoyed his doses of Donini punishment at City of Rocks this June.
No dogs going with us.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 13, 2012 - 10:11pm PT
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I'll be there, like I said in an email, Veggie burger for me.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Sep 13, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
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that's like 110 miles from Ouray? and mouse and donini are gonna be there.
hmmmmmmmmmmm!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 15, 2012 - 06:48pm PT
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Garlic infused bison burgers....sign up now!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 15, 2012 - 07:53pm PT
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Not to be a buzzkill, Jim, but although stewardship of the approaches and camping is a great idea, and I am all for it, I can't help but wonder if it will extend above the first belay before the Incredible Handcrack becomes the Incredible Fistcrack.
You may find this hard to believe but once no less than a President of the AAC said to me that he actually liked the way that the Incredible Handcrack was getting wider because his hands fit better.
Do you think he was really that myopic or was just trying to get a rise out of me at the moral expense of the veracity of his environmental commitment.
I know a dozen Wingate Canyons as good, but only lacking in paved access.
I guess IC will have to serve as a guinea pig to that commitment to stewardship.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 16, 2012 - 12:19am PT
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Ron, the sad fact is that if you have fabulous climbing within 20 minutes of a road with great, free camping the world is going to beat a path to your door. The internet has changed everything, there are no secrets- at least not for long.
Given the fact that an area like IC is going to see extensive traffic the remaining option is to get the users to take care of the resouce and, where needed, help restore it.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 16, 2012 - 03:40pm PT
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Jim, that is NOT an answer.
OK, we know why lots of people climb there.
That is not what I asked.
Much to my dismay over time I have discovered that nutting and free climbing are still erosive forces on soft rock.
If we cannot stabilize the climbs (i don't know, maybe find some hardening compound that can be applied inside cracks or something) then all the trail building, all the garbage policing, all the talk of stewardship is nothing less than a clever scam to misdirect others from the inconvenient fact that climbers are using up a nonrenewable resource in a way even more permanent than the destruction of rainforests (which at least in theory can be regrown).
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 17, 2012 - 01:12pm PT
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I guess everybody is too busy not doing something for four days to discuss the future of a pivotal resource.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 17, 2012 - 06:37pm PT
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Ron, you raise a good point. Similar problems have occurred with pin scarring on granite and polishing on limestone sport routes. At IC the noticeable widening of cracks due to constant use seems, as of now, to be limited to a few climbs and the Incredible Handcrack is the poster child for that problem.
What to do? Hardening compound, sounds impractical but what do i know? When a crack changes in size it becomes easier for some and harder for others but that is not the answer you want.
Come to the IC event and we can get some folks brainstorming about the issue.
Thanks for drawing it to attention.
Ron, have you ever wondered why a highly altered crack like Serenity is so popular?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 17, 2012 - 08:26pm PT
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The point is rather that Serenity Crack WAS a highly altered crack, but nobody beats on it any more.
It is popular because it was beaten into a very user friendly form, but that was incidental rather than deliberate.
The problem in IC is more insidious in nature because it is not limited to hammer use.
The cracks continue to erode and the issue should NOT be whether it is in a user friendly form, because it would only be an interim state.
Come to IC to brainstorm and climb?
Sounds like being more part of the problem than the solution.
Perhaps brainstorm THEN go.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 17, 2012 - 09:07pm PT
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Ron, the invitation is open. Nothing stays the same but if people care about a resource and take action to preserve it, abominations like Serenity Crack will be limited. Yes, the problem with change thru use in sandstone is a difficult issue but......
climbers from around the world are not going to stay away and.....
yes
we, as climbers, need to do whatever we can to mitigate any and all environmental damage we do as a result of our passion and.....
no
we aren't going to be completely successful.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 17, 2012 - 09:44pm PT
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Guinea pig it is!
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