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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 20, 2012 - 02:09am PT
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Free from the bullshit!
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Aug 20, 2012 - 02:16am PT
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Regardless,
We Love You, Dirtbag!
And that is No Bullshit!!
;-)
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 20, 2012 - 02:23am PT
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Bullshit is free.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Aug 20, 2012 - 02:44am PT
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Yea, I suppose most of it is free.
But, then again, some of those who are full of it have gotten rich dispensing it for a fee. See some of them on tv still, usually latte at night or early Sunday mornings. And I suppose if I thought back over the years, I prollie paid for some of it myself. I therefore, respect Dirtbag's claim of being free of it. And I do admire anyone who is unencumbered or feel's they are "free of bullshit". Even though they may, themselves, feel I am full of exactly what they are free of.
And I get the point, who wouldn't? Do not force that bullshit onto anyone, particularly them! Kinda counter productive in the least, and overkill at worse.
Anyway, I am beginning to sound like I am full of bullsh#t, so I will depart.
Peace!
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Aug 20, 2012 - 02:51am PT
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God isnt so narcissistic that he needs to be acknowledged. So kudos athiests!
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MisterE
Social climber
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Aug 20, 2012 - 02:54am PT
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My wife is an Atheist, and one thing I have learned from her is this: She believes in living and loving - and that is more than many people ever find in their lives.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Aug 20, 2012 - 03:06am PT
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Some so called atheists are simply Non-Theists.
There is a difference.
Life is Life, however it's practiced.
Divisions diminish us all.
Cheers!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 21, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
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it takes faith to start a thread like this
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Timmc
climber
BC
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Aug 21, 2012 - 03:43pm PT
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Dirtbag +1
Loomis- thanks for the laughs
The God Delusion is a good read for those who sit on the fence.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 21, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
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I don't know if I love the atheist life anymore than I would a life beieving in God, but reason and the evidence at hand make it impossible for me to be anything but an atheist. +1 for The God Delusion.
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P.Rob
Social climber
Pacomia, Ca - Y Que?
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Aug 25, 2012 - 03:48pm PT
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My experience with the proclaimed and committed atheists in my life – this includes siblings with advanced degrees operating at a world class level in their respective fields –all real solid individuals. Enlightened self interest is how one of my partners describes it. These are People of veracity and above reproach. That said, anything militant is natural suspect in my mind. After all militant is just a catch phrase for fundamentalist reactionary ready to bludgeon anyone and anything that does not kowtow to their strict doctrine – an expected acquiescence if not we will shout louder and longer until you do prime directive – “resistance is futile….” Reciprocity & respect for the process should be foundational in any discussion in my opinion
Thank you to the proclaimed and committed Atheists on ST – even the shrill & whiney ones and you know who you are - for you help to promote ideas and discussions. Strength and encouragement to you all …………. For myself I do not have enough faith to be an atheist – please know I tried. In the end I give thanks to Darwin and praises to Gould! All power to Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris! In part due to your teachings I believe in God
“Men despise religion. They hate it and are afraid it may be true.”
Blaise Pascal
“Man is but a reed, the most feeble thing in nature, but he is a thinking reed”
Blaise Pascal
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Aug 25, 2012 - 04:41pm PT
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As long as I don't get too narcissistic and see myself as all powerful, and nurture a sense of there being grater forces out there than my big mouth - for instance, Nature - I can still have some sense of there being holy things in the world, like him and her, without getting trapped by or ranting against the mythology.
The only true freedom is to be detached from every preference and to take it all "neat."
Easy to say, impossible to do perfectly, but it can act as a polestar. And that's a powerful tool.
JL
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Aug 25, 2012 - 05:13pm PT
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JL
I wouldn't say Nature's perfect, but he does do pretty good sushi!!!
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WyoRockMan
Trad climber
Flank of the Bighorns
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Aug 25, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
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A quote by Aaron Freeman:
You want a physicist to speak at your funeral. You want the physicist to talk to your grieving family about the conservation of energy, so they will understand that your energy has not died. You want the physicist to remind your sobbing mother about the first law of thermodynamics; that no energy gets created in the universe, and none is destroyed. You want your mother to know that all your energy, every vibration, every Btu of heat, every wave of every particle that was her beloved child remains with her in this world. You want the physicist to tell your weeping father that amid energies of the cosmos, you gave as good as you got.
And at one point you'd hope that the physicist would step down from the pulpit and walk to your brokenhearted spouse there in the pew and tell him that all the photons that ever bounced off your face, all the particles whose paths were interrupted by your smile, by the touch of your hair, hundreds of trillions of particles, have raced off like children, their ways forever changed by you. And as your widow rocks in the arms of a loving family, may the physicist let her know that all the photons that bounced from you were gathered in the particle detectors that are her eyes, that those photons created within her constellations of electromagnetically charged neurons whose energy will go on forever.
And the physicist will remind the congregation of how much of all our energy is given off as heat. There may be a few fanning themselves with their programs as he says it. And he will tell them that the warmth that flowed through you in life is still here, still part of all that we are, even as we who mourn continue the heat of our own lives.
And you'll want the physicist to explain to those who loved you that they need not have faith; indeed, they should not have faith. Let them know that they can measure, that scientists have measured precisely the conservation of energy and found it accurate, verifiable and consistent across space and time. You can hope your family will examine the evidence and satisfy themselves that the science is sound and that they'll be comforted to know your energy's still around. According to the law of the conservation of energy, not a bit of you is gone; you're just less orderly.
Amen.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 25, 2012 - 06:10pm PT
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As long as I don't get too narcissistic and see myself as all powerful, and nurture a sense of there being grater forces out there than my big mouth - for instance, Nature - I can still have some sense of there being holy things in the world, like him and her, without getting trapped by or ranting against the mythology.
Why would you blasphemize the word 'holy' while adhering to apparent agnosticism? Pick one belief system or the other.
The only true freedom is to be detached from every preference and to take it all "neat."
So you want it all ways. No obligations? Fine. Don't split hairs if you're a Christian. Either you believe, or you don't. Quit trying to tread the agnostic stupid middle ground.
Easy to say, impossible to do perfectly, but it can act as a polestar. And that's a powerful tool.
What?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 25, 2012 - 06:20pm PT
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My point to Johnny Long is, make a f*#king decisive religious point! Everyone side-steps religion, and half-steps it.
A real confident person says , "I believe this, I am this", and enough said. Make a coherent stand and defend it or support it.
Quit being defensive, incoherent, and politically correct!!!! Make a stand. Man.
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