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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 28, 2012 - 09:00pm PT
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So many things to dunk, so little time.
Toulene is a good mixer to cut with for the right spreadability.
You can rubberize anything.
This stuff is harder to find in CA than a virgin in vegas.
So versitile it trumps duct tape in the prophylactic protection department.
Got to be some stories/photos out there...
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 28, 2012 - 09:03pm PT
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Drink it before going to the turd world.
It coats the stomach so you won't get dysentery .....
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salad
climber
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Mar 28, 2012 - 09:13pm PT
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i put my johnson in a can of green... walked into the bedroom and said to the wife, "take me to your leader". went over like a fart in church.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Mar 28, 2012 - 09:47pm PT
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I LOVE PLASTI-DIP!!
The stuff is Emphatically The Sh|t. Toluene is a rather nasty aromatic hydrocarbon that is probably virtually impossible to find any more [especially in California] but from years of experience [including this week] I can tell you that regular Coleman stove fuel [naphthalene] works perfectly well as a thinner, even on a year old can.
If you have a vessel which has hardened Plasti Dip on the inside, add a bunch of naphthalene, shake it up, and lay the vessel on its side with the hard bit on the bottom. Come back a few hours later and shake it, then repeat til it all dissolves, which it will.
Remember when you seal the can, you need to put a piece of aluminium foil between the can and the plastic lid.
Seam Grip is good stuff, but rather expensive considering what you pay for it. Clear Plasti-Dip will do everything Seam Grip will do, so far as I am aware, at a fraction of the per unit cost. One of the most useful purposes for Seam Grip is to repair leaks in Thermarest air mattresses, but PlastiDip works every bit as well. I have made numerous Thermarest repairs with PlastiDip over the years, and none has failed.
It is fabulous on walls for reinforcing things that wear, particularly your portaledge and your pigs. If you are a big wall climber, you can't have enough of the stuff.
I use it extensively in caving, coating the wear points on my cave suit coveralls, my kneepads, fixing leaks in my rubber gloves. Russ Walling will tell you all sorts of uses for it, too.
Yeah, it's definitely hard to find in California, but a few places might still carry it. Best to import it yourself. Since I fly on the airplane, and the stuff is flammable, I either have to have friends bring it, or get creative by decanting it into plastic bottles like Gatorade and labelling it as water soluble craft paint or something like that.
I have never actually dipped anything in it, however. That's one of its primary uses, dipping the handles of tools.
Thelonius Fan picked some up for me in Pennsylvania, only something like six or seven bucks for the 14 oz can. Not bad, eh? Can't remember what hardware store chain it came from, though.
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Brian
climber
California
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Mar 28, 2012 - 10:18pm PT
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Easy to find Plasti-dip in CA: Home Depot.
Would I seam seal my ledge fly with Plasti-Dip? Yep. That's what I did to mine BITD on the suggestion of Kevin Thaw (if I recall correctly, he can deny and correct me if I'm losing it). It's held up fine so far.
Brian
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
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Man you guys must have anhydrous ammonia on the shelves at your home depotzzz!
I have never seen it anywhere, just picked these up in Fairfax county.
Thanks for the aluma trick, and the HD spottings!
Once you get the consistancy right, I would not hesitate to use it on the rain fly. I patch most holes in my pants with the clear Plasti dip.
Add sand for texture.
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John Mac
Trad climber
Littleton, CO
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Mar 28, 2012 - 11:18pm PT
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Home Depot has it in the painting section. Usually by the spray cans and in a cage.
Great stuff for fixing up haul bags...
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Thelonius Fan
climber
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Mar 29, 2012 - 09:27am PT
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Yep, I picked up 429 mL/14.5 fl.oz. cans for $6.88 each at the local Lowe's retail site. My location only stocked black. It is stocked in the paint department next to the Rustoleum spray cans.
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Mar 29, 2012 - 10:42am PT
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FYI, McMaster-Carr (Mcmaster.com) has all sorts of different types (low odor, water repellent, etc) and colors that are 50 state legal. And the proper thinner too. Can't link to the part #, so just do a search there for "tool dip".
Thx for the foil tip. Will have to go add that to the can I have when I get home.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Mar 29, 2012 - 11:20am PT
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Brah - you just learned about this!!!!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Mar 29, 2012 - 11:50am PT
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"Home Depot has it in the painting section. Usually by the spray cans and in a cage."
Do KNOTT buy it in spray cans - it is simply no good. Stick to the 14.5 oz cans and you're golden. The most versatile colour is clear, but they all work equally well.
If you do use it to seal seams, make sure it is thinned to about the same consistency as Seam Grip. The more "thinned" = fluid the stuff is, the better it penetrates into the micropores of the fly. As mentioned above, you will need Coleman stove fuel = naphthalene for this job, unless I suppose you could find toluene.
You can also use PlastiDip to fix raincoats and rainpants. My knees are always wearing through on the rain pants I wear camping around the campfire, and also from kneeling in the canoe. Never thought about adding sand for grip. Hmmmm. Should I try that on my caving kneepads?
If you have lots of money, and can simply buy new gear when your old stuff wears out [like I used to], then you might not need so much Plasti-Dip. But if you are kind of a dirtbag [like I am now!] you will find dozens of uses for the stuff!
"It looks ugly, but it works."
Pshaw. I think the colours are beautiful, and it adds a certain artistic "character", I tell you. Just ask Kate about my pigs. ;)
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D'Wolf
climber
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Mar 29, 2012 - 01:12pm PT
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Great for haulbags and ledge flys. Did a hockey stick tape wrap on my wall hammer then coated it in Plasti-Dip - nice!
For the wall side of my ledge I use a couple layers of Gorilla Tape.
Thom
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gonzo chemist
climber
Fort Collins, CO
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Mar 29, 2012 - 01:40pm PT
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hey Piton Pete,
Coleman fuel is NOT 'naphthalene.' It is a 'petroleum naphtha.' Used to be called white gas. Its just a low molecular weight hydrocarbon mixture.
Unfortunately, colloquiual/old-school chemistry terminology can be confusing or misleading. "Naphthalene" is actually a 10-carbon aromatic (aromaticity being defined by Huckel's rule) compound that is a solid at room temperature. Its the main component of mothballs.
Xylene(s) is used as a paint thinner as well. It is structurally similar to toluene. It would work well also. I don't think it is outlawed in CA.
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Roger Brown
climber
Oceano, California
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Mar 29, 2012 - 01:58pm PT
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They just keep it by the spray paint. It's the liquid stuff. Ace Hardware has the spray kind. The spray kind has it's place, I've used it when I just want a thin coat.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 29, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
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In the 70's in Seattle there was a religious cult that got busted when one
of the members died. No law against that but then they stuffed her in a
closet and prayed like there was no tomorrow for her to come back. After
a month the neighbors started complaining. Turns out that part of their
'prayer ritual' was huffing vast quantities of toluene.
Toluene - 'Closer my God to thee'
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Mar 29, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
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Classic Fish Chucks photo please!!!
He was a promo in slings for the stuff, BITD.
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nscherneck
Trad climber
Redlands, CA
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Mar 29, 2012 - 04:35pm PT
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Been planning to plasti-dip the ends of my ropes (about 1") with different colors to help locate them quickly when the rope is stacked or otherwise. Haven't gotten around to it because when I went to the Home Depot they stocked only one color.
Dave Kos - Reed gave me this idea...said you'd done it. Do you have some pics?
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Mar 29, 2012 - 06:41pm PT
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It's main use for big wall climbers is to deal the clip in loop and cone at the top of the fly (for sewn ledges). The big boys have seemed to go with a welded cone, which is probably better, but probably also heavier and not necessarily more weather proof.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Mar 29, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
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i don't know man,
petrified hydrocarbons.
aluminum smudge!
silica dust.
sounds dangerous.
snortin calcium carbonate.
ingesting fermented grain mass,
drinkin up thrice distilled whiskey (irish)
how you gonna get on?
you outta buy one of those
electric life's,
you know the ones that harms no one's.
roganic veggies.
free-range climbers.
syrup right from the tree trunk.
tons of sunscreen,
greasing off of jugs,
one of them flap hats,
tube socks.
you know the drill.
safety first.
i aint soakin none of my tools in that concoction.
my lectrical tools aren't even insulated,
i like jolts,
and i run bald tires on my ride,
cause you never know,
you just might get a blow out
in a cool place.
and have to
stop.
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