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Swami Jr.
Trad climber
Bath, NY
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 25, 2012 - 10:56am PT
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I used to check in a lot more on this forum. Lately, however, I seem to be noticing a strong presence of politically far right values posted everywhere. Climbing and conservative values? When did this happen? Maybe it's just a few posters who are prolific.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 25, 2012 - 10:58am PT
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It's always been leaning to the right.
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Swami Jr.
Trad climber
Bath, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2012 - 11:00am PT
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It is surprising to me.
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Swami Jr.
Trad climber
Bath, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2012 - 11:06am PT
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Dingus, you mean I'm not likely to see Mitt and Newt doing a speed ascent of the nose next year?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Jan 25, 2012 - 11:16am PT
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Immoderate liberalism tends to incite exaggerated conservative response and vice versa.
Upheaval comes when political agitators are successful in rousing discord and polarization to polar extremes.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 25, 2012 - 11:26am PT
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Immoderate liberalism tends to incite exaggerated conservative response and vice versa.
Not at all. The real truth is that Dr. F and Skipt are using a fake disagreement to cover their secret bromance.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 25, 2012 - 11:29am PT
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subversives and outside agitators
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apogee
climber
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Jan 25, 2012 - 11:34am PT
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I been hangin' with the 'tards for a long time...haven't noticed a noteworthy rightward swing.
And I'm a Liberal, dammit!
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Jan 25, 2012 - 11:54am PT
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it's just a couple selfish right wingers posting overabundantly. the volume you note is tons of spray from a small handful of people that hate america.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 12:21pm PT
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Weaky Squeals...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 25, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
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My point is that it's always been right of center, and I don't particularly see any recent shift.
Remember the Roe V wade experiment? That I "made" Dr Sprock start?
Start a thread here about gun control, taxes, religion, Women's rights, freedom of choice, fluoridated water, the gold standard, mandatory car insurance, any of those rt wing whacko hot buttons, and you'll have right wingers crawling over themselves to express indignation.
this place is definitely farther to the right than neutral.
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 12:43pm PT
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I am right on most economic issues and center to left on certain social issues. This forum seems to be very left to me. If your frame of reference is California, Portland, Settle, then it would appear to be a tad right. But that is just due to your frame of reference.
At work, it is hard to speak up since the left agenda in Portland is so righteous in promoting their agenda. At home in the sticks, one must be careful lest the uneducated and well armed survivalist seeks to enforce their opinion. Free speech seems to be a rare commodity since folks are intent on making you pay for not agreeing with them 100% of the time.
I once worked for a Congressman who I respected very much. It was a different era. Reasonable men can disagree, yet still seek common ground upon which we can build a future.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 25, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
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Well put seamstress. Be careful out there.
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 03:39pm PT
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I think the polarization in politics has been orchestrated by ultra rich and corporate backing, because it raises the stakes for each side to get elected and makes the politicians more willing to compromise whatever principles they had to accept the corporate help and then be beholden to them.
The ultra rich folk figured out long ago how to use the religious conservatives to further their own agendas. It's embarrassingly transparent to thinking/perceptive folks, but it's also really ingenious in a sinister way, in that reason/rationality is completely powerless to counter faith-based dogmas. Even when the religious folks can step outside of their dogmatic beliefs to see something that doesn't help them, their own egos will prevent them from acknowledging it (because then they'd have to admit to themselves how badly they have been used). Check mate.
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Swami Jr.
Trad climber
Bath, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2012 - 08:07pm PT
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thanks for the input everyone. Just calling it like I see it.
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Swami Jr.
Trad climber
Bath, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2012 - 08:27pm PT
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Fattrad-
from my cold dead hands.
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johngenx
climber
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Jan 25, 2012 - 09:41pm PT
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I find it odd that climbers wouldn't be environmentally conscious by default, hoping to protect wild spaces. The right wing focuses on commerce and economics ahead of people, wildlife, and the environment in general.
Many right wing policies are also harmful to the core of their voters, which has also left me puzzled. Tax policies that benefit the rich and burden the middle class make no sense when so few people actually gain from such policies. The wealthy folks have used the term "trickle down" but there has been nothing trickling down, so I don't know why the support continues. Perhaps people feel they're on the verge of joining the 1% at any moment, so wish to support continued low rate rates for that group?
Are most climbers in the top tier of income and wealth? I'm pretty active in my local community of climbers, and with a few exceptions, most earn a reasonable living (the recreationalists) but are far from belonging to the wealthy elite.
I think one reason that many, in the US, are "right wing" is the irrational fear of socialism. There has been a successful campaign to associate it with totalitarian regimes that existed during the cold-war era, when in reality, the most prosperous nations are the ones with a high degree of socialistic policies. Those policies create terrific infrastructure that allows business to flourish and wealth to be created. It also encourages social order, reducing crime. Want "no government intervention?" Somalia is the place to go. Think about it.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 25, 2012 - 09:43pm PT
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who wants to buy some weed?
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apogee
climber
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Jan 25, 2012 - 09:59pm PT
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There is no society in the history of the world that has become more conservative over time. Not changing = dying
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johngenx
climber
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Jan 26, 2012 - 12:26am PT
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Capitalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive. Once again, people fail to understand that socialism is a spectrum, not an extreme position, and it does not mean "planned economy."
The most successful nations, including the US, temper capitalistic economic systems with socialistic policies designed to stabilize the economy and encourage competition.
Regulation and structure encourages competition, and no regulation leads to monopoly. Imagine a game without rules. Anarchy eventually leads to one person/entity "winning." Rules foster competition, which is healthy for the economy.
Regulation also keeps people safe. Health regulations, safety policies, and so on mean we can eat in restaurants, fly into airports, and 1000x other things that people in other nations can not.
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