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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 14, 2011 - 11:58pm PT
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Rock art. Does it belong in a National Park or wilderness area? When it is, is it art or vandalism?
Ken
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:00am PT
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Could it be a natural formation? Will we have to clean it up during the Facelift? Stay tuned!
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tom Carter
Social climber
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:01am PT
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Vertical fire-rings.
Leave only.....
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S.Leeper
Sport climber
Pflugerville, Texas
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:03am PT
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as long as you are not leaving panties and teenage ninja turtle dolls, I think some rock stacking is pretty tame.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:03am PT
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It's only vandalism when there are ropes beneath it...
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:04am PT
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I think that sort of thing is fleeting, anyway.
People pile stones. They always have, & always will.
It's all good.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:06am PT
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Neither.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:08am PT
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As long as it wasn't a rap-cairn.
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Brian
climber
California
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:09am PT
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Knock 'em down. Loads of these things in Yosemite (hike to Lower Yosemite Falls and elsewhere) and Zion (at the entrance to the Narrows). Visual litter.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:17am PT
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In Idaho National Forests: the Forest Rangers were burning old mining structures, cabins, and even entire ghost towns, up through the 1960's as "fire hazards." One of the chief fears was: hippies would "re-occupy" old cabins.
Since the 1970's, those old structures are historical, and protected by the Forest Service.
Once fire hazard, now historical.
Definition is everything.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:40am PT
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I claim Herman, Brunhilda, Franz, and Katz are art.
All are: just stacked, except I had to drill and dowel the tail on Katz.
Franz blew down a few years back. It took me two years to summon up energy to carry him back up and rebuild. (he was most grateful-----though. He’s been “like a rock” since.)
Now, I check them all a little more often, and chink them with pebbles if they are rocking.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired to Appalachia
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:42am PT
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VANDALISM without a doubt.
I tend to destroy things like that in wilderness areas and natural parks.
The call me THE DESTROYER.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:50am PT
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Cairns for trails don't bother me, as long as they aren't every 5 feet. I don't need that much help.
Beyond that.. knock them down. Stacked rocks in the river can be cool, but I don't like them in the park. I knock them down.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:56am PT
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It's a gif. I saved it on photobucket.
"I'll get you, Eh Steve...If it takes till tomorrow Nooooon!"
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:57am PT
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Neither art nor vandalism.
Just rocks stacked in river.
I see them and keep walking ......
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Sep 15, 2011 - 01:41am PT
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LOL...in store.....thanks...
I know it's the main page. I must of had oldtimes when i was looking for , Eh! Steve!..
vandalism..no.....art.....probably not..
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 15, 2011 - 02:06am PT
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I just liberated a ladybug from my house - performance art.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Sep 15, 2011 - 04:03am PT
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hey there say, ken.... i thought you may have a post here, like the facebook one, :)
say, as to me, i was brought up thinking they were for emergency trail finders, etc...
however, being kids, we DID love to play with rocks, and tried our skills at making a few small ones....so i understand how folks may get started....
though, after thinking about ken's question, i can understand, too, how eventually some folks MAY try to out-do others and it may 'spread like wild rock'--as opposed to wild fire, ;)
unusual ground cover, then, i reckon, :)
also:
say, skully... that pic that you posted almost looks like a tiny village of some sort... (as from a bird's eye view, looking down to a cave-men type settlement) :))
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