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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 28, 2006 - 09:18pm PT
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Well, thanks to some people, here's the topic for discusion.
Now, if this offends you, take a moment and evaluate why. I didn;t write it to offend. I wrote it as an eye opener, a warning, and because I was frustrated.
I apologise for being so blunt.
Your reactions are worth hearing.
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Some of you women are being a bit disgusting.
It's dumbassed women like YOU, who can't tell shyte from shinola, who dump on nice guys and wind up going out with Ted Bundy.
I'm so glad I am not in your age range. When I was your age,it was actually possible to be nice or do a favor for someone without being accused of stalking, or of being needy. It was possible to show interest in a girl without her calling the cops. Back in those days, SOME girls were even friendly.
May the non-existent God deliver me from the likes of you.
BTW, about the Ted Bundy thing--and ted got a LOT of dates, just not many second dates-- you'll love him if you meet him, and I'm not just talking from book learning. there was this nice young guy, a friend of me n my first wife, at college. He would give her rides around campus sometimes. He was very easy going, good looking, and near genius intellegence. Everybody in our little group really liked him.
Then he was on TV, in court for having murdered a girl execution style while involved in a role playing game, when he was 16. Can you say SOCIOPATHIC? He's probably out of prison by now, maybe you could get a date with him.
Yeah this is an enraged rant, but it's true. Sue me.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2006 - 10:00pm PT
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Raj, that is an irrelevant, off topic, gossip oriented question.
It started as a retort to TR's and maculated's comments, among others, in a thread toat got deleted about girls getting creeped out by guys.
The point of the tirade, since you seem to be determined to miss it, is that people often work against their own best interests by being overy suspicious and paraniod when there is no need, and conversely, failing to recognise a truly bad situation.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Feb 28, 2006 - 10:05pm PT
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dirt. That post was still on ST. You did not need any outside help. All you had to do was look through your posts. It was a stupid post. Not up to your usual standard. There are at least two ways you should have been able to find it.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2006 - 10:18pm PT
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tradisgood, well, that's your opinion. Others have different opinions.
Personaly, I think you are clueless if you don't see the value of the tirade.
But it's your right to be clueless.
Do you have anything worthwhile to say about the subject?
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pc
climber
Eastside
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Feb 28, 2006 - 10:36pm PT
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Well...If yer not happy with women there's always sheep. If you get pissed at them you can always r-a-a-a-a-a-ant ;)
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Feb 28, 2006 - 11:06pm PT
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So we have a problem with our SuperTopo Ladies?
Please Advise
Juanito
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2006 - 11:40pm PT
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No Juan, but I am beginning to have a problem with the guys who don;t sem to be able to make an on topic post that addresses the issue I tried to raise.
I would specifically like to hear from Kate, LEB, Crimpergirl, Maculated and TR about this, along with anyone else who might have something to say that is on topic.
(I am aware that I ahve incredibly bad karma regarding thread hijacks however, so, don't put yourself out)
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Feb 28, 2006 - 11:48pm PT
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This had to be said. I think you like many of us do not see these woman ever taken as brides. I was looking for a lady when I decided to take a wife.
They probally never had a chance to go to a good finishing school so we should feel sorry for them.
Juanito
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bringmeshelter
Social climber
la la land
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Feb 28, 2006 - 11:56pm PT
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Oh god... I really want to create a new account and pretent to be a chick and argue like a little bitch... but those email accounts suck to make, cause they have that like blurry picture and I always get it wrong the first time.
LEB, I'm like one of the younger posters on this site and I thought that stalker post was about as paranoid and crazy as one can get.
Here is one for you... if I stay in bed and make you breakfast and you only wanted sex, am I a stalker???
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Holdplease2
Big Wall climber
Yosemite area
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Some theory:
Dealing with people is like dealing with aid climbing:
Lois' aid wizdom is quoted below:
"Failing to attend to a red flag, however, can be lethal. Better to err on the side of caution and then back off when you realize your initial fears were groundless. An error in the other direction is not always quite so easy to correct. In fact, you might not be around even to correct it."
Some of us are bolder than others. I climb C2, and will deal with C2 behavior from people. Much more than that, I might sketch and bail. (also, might not, depending)
There are many routes to send, and many people to know. Go with what suits you, and don't succumb to pressure to get in over your head. The consequences are yours, and nobody elses.
You may miss out on some good routes (people), but thats the price you pay.
Find a balance...If you never climb harder than feels comfy? Maybe you'll never send anything. If you never take a chance with people against your better judgement? Maybe you'll be alone your whole life.
The price you pay in life for the decisions you make or don't make comes in many forms.
-Kate.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Lois, Since I was only 10 when In cold blood was published, I don't really recall that. I read it with 'cid in a marathon session with Helter Skelter and the Rolling Stone article about the last days of Howard Hughes about ten years later. Creeps me out to this day.
Stalking bites, listen to those feelings. Err conservatively, if defensivley; when in doubt duck and run.
as for the tirade, (taken as a whole from the verboten thread) seems kinda half empty with a dash of naughty fantasy, but there are parts I can't argue with.
EDIT; I was also counting some of the earlier bits; girls with crappy music,squirts, etc, as part or the tirade. -Going for a gestalt-in-eye kinda thing
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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I don't know what I can truley tolerate or deal with, but some of the A-5 personalities are pretty seductive, must be the crater potential.
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WBraun
climber
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Lois
Dirts tirad is the original post in this thread!
"For women, sometimes, survival means brains more than brawn"
:-)
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WBraun
climber
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And
"May the non-existent God deliver me"
If he doesn't exist then why ask him to deliver you?
Who will deliver us our tortured friend from the hands of Yamaraja?
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville
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dirtineye,
being a "nice guy" is very subjective.
if you are older and wiser why would the behaviour you speak of bother you?
you don't know the history of the people on this forum.
there may be many valid reasons you do not know or do not understand that preclude certain behaviour(s) by individuals.
understand that you don't know these things and you will be better off.
frustrated by what goes on here? read a book instead or,
relax and enjoy.
this is entertainment.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Lois,
maybe it's just me, but also there's that thing about Some women Sometimes repeating there major premise without letting a guy say his part or not listening when he does.
I don't think there are many men who don't know the point you've been hammering home up above.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Now, if this offends you, take a moment and evaluate why. I didn;t write it to offend. I wrote it as an eye opener, a warning, and because I was frustrated.
I apologise for being so blunt.
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Some of you women are being a bit disgusting.
It's dumbassed women like YOU, who can't tell shyte from shinola, who dump on nice guys and wind up going out with Ted Bundy.
This is not very thoughtful writing. Calling people disgusting and dumb-assed, is offensive. In fact, it is offensive behavior regardless of whether one is a woman. If you truly did not mean to be offensive, then perhaps you need some help, because a normal person would recognize those statements as being offensive.
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I'm so glad I am not in your age range. When I was your age,it was actually possible to be nice or do a favor for someone without being accused of stalking, or of being needy. It was possible to show interest in a girl without her calling the cops. Back in those days, SOME girls were even friendly.
May the non-existent God deliver me from the likes of you.
Time for a reality check. Perhaps you think NO girls are friendly today. You might be right. There might be NO girls who will remain friendly to you. But most of us know many very friendly women.
BTW, about the Ted Bundy thing--and ted got a LOT of dates, just not many second dates-- you'll love him if you meet him, and I'm not just talking from book learning. there was this nice young guy, a friend of me n my first wife, at college. He would give her rides around campus sometimes. He was very easy going, good looking, and near genius intellegence. Everybody in our little group really liked him.
Then he was on TV, in court for having murdered a girl execution style while involved in a role playing game, when he was 16. Can you say SOCIOPATHIC? He's probably out of prison by now, maybe you could get a date with him.
I thought it was only dumb-asses that would be friends with guys like Ted Bundy. You liked this guy. What conclusion should we be drawing about you here?
Yeah this is an enraged rant, but it's true. Sue me.
The first step is recognition. You recognize your rage. Are you going to take the next step?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
St. Louis
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Dirt:
You asked for my thoughts. Not so interesting, but here they are nonetheless...
Your discussion of Ted Bundy demonstrates what ALL people deal with - - seemingly very nice people aren't always what they seem. Hence the caution you see. I've met lots of *nice* people (male and female) who turned out to be very not-nice and paid some big prices for that. As a result, I am much more cautious.
The biggest thought that your 'rant' brings to my mind has nothing to do with caution or stalking or 'dumbass' women. It has to do with your obvious rage. I hope that you can do something to ease it. I say this because it's not good or healthy for YOU to carry it. Know what I mean? Or maybe I'm just a dumbass.
And, good luck this morning with surgery. Let me know how you are doing.
Signed,
Dumbass woman
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roslyn
Trad climber
washington
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oh dirt, so sorry us dumbass women can sort the sh#t from the good. I'm so glad you're here to school us properly.
walk a mile in our shoes first my friend.
so bitter and jaded
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2006 - 11:04am PT
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Hmmm, well.
FIrst things first.
tradisgood, you really are clueless. I have nothing to say about your ridiculous remarks and idiotic conclusions.
LEB, no, I didn't know Ted, and I'm glad. I have known a few sociopaths though. They are hard to spot unless you know what you are looking for, and even then it takes time and you can still be fooled long enough to get into trouble.
I'm very happy old ted can't do any more harm.
My rage? Look, I'm taking serious drugs, and it does affect what I say, probably making me even less less politically correct and user friendly, but I apologized for that part. I have a VERY stong sense of gallows humor. Partly from being clinically depressed for 42 years, and partly from living directly in the shadow of death since 1998. I've talked with other people in my situation, and we all agree, most people just don't get it. That's OK, it's even preferable! Because you don't want to be where I am, or understand it, or feel it even for a day. It is not fun. Having a sick sense of humor is a coping mechanism that I sincerely hope you will never need. When everything seems bad, you have to start finding humor in stuff that normal people would recoil from, or you are really in deep do-do. The enraged part was a joke. It was also bait. I tend to put out a lot of bait sometimes, sorry about that. I thought it was funny.
The fact remains that very few of you have addressed the REAL issue here. This is not about me. This is about anyone who has, is, or will cut themselves out of a possible good thing, and put themselves into a bad situation because their perception is off.
Look, I've done it too.
And for the girl who sensed something was wrong with Ted, GREAT! I only wish they had all sensed that. But a lot didn't.
The better safe than sorry theory may not apply though, because clearly, lots of people THINK they are being safe when they are not,. and then they fall right into a bad situation. Conversly, by the same sort of bad perception, people pass on good situations because they judge something to be wrong when it is not.
Now I'm fully aware that if I had just written this last bit, and left off some of the less stomachable remarks, I'd have gotten a different set of replies, but really, I kind of like seeing how various people have reacted and what they have chosen to focus on. It's very interesting and revealing.
Kate, you are a champ. Not that my endorsement means anything, but my impression of you has always been that you are a champ. Maybe a little bit touchy on the feminism side, but still, level headed, solid, posessing a sense of humor, and worth accepting whole, including any flaws. If I have ever offended you, I sincerely apologize. NO, I'm not proposing or stalking, LOL, but I am admiring. I have a feeling that you are what many women, make that, many people, aspire to be. I wish I could be more like you.
Callie, I'm a little disappointed, because I know that from your line of work you might know things about how victims get where they are, and how that might relate to this topic. I wish you would talk about that some, cause you are after all an expert.
Dingus, as usual, you had something worth saying. How do you do that?
Werner, I ask deliverance from the non-existent god because just in case I'm wrong and he is there, I want him to know I am mocking him. All I have to say to god is, fvck you, a retarded kid could do a better job, and I know this because I have worked with a lot of retarded kids. Mabye that is the problem after all-- our god, if he exists, is the retarded offspring of some normal gods. Sure seems that way.
I'm sure other things were posted that are noteworthy, but enough for now. On the whole, this thread is at least interesting, and possibly of some value to someone.
If ONE person avoids a bad situation, or allows a good one to occur, as a result of this thread, I'll take all the abuse you can hand out, and like it.
To whom it may concern:
If you're still worried about me, don't be. I'm a harmless idiot. I will push a few of your buttons though, if you allow it. I don't really mean to, it just happens. I annoy some people merely by existing LOL!
Please try to stick to the point, although I know better than to expect to be able to successfully direct the course of a discussion on the internet, LOL.
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