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squishy
Mountain climber
Sac town
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:17pm PT
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well that must be it then, the San Diego CHP is to blame...
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:23pm PT
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Holy $hit, 3 days PTO a month just starting?? 36 DAYS A YEAR??? That's a lot of climbing time.
Edited to add: I doubt this is the reason for California's budget woes. If anything, these guys and gals bring in a fair amount of revenue from all those tickets they are writin' and it is not an easy job.
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enjoimx
Trad climber
Yosemite, ca
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:24pm PT
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What a STUPID thread for a climber's forum.
Take it somewhere ELSE.
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Collie-Rad-O! (FC to be exact)
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:24pm PT
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Are they hiring???
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:27pm PT
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How about our prison system, which costs 3 times (!) as much per prisoner as Texas'.
The California Prison guards union is the most politically powerful union in the state. Gray Davis once gave them a 40% across the board raise because they threatened to pull support.
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enjoimx
Trad climber
Yosemite, ca
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:27pm PT
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:33pm PT
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How many of you folks expect to have between $2-$5 million dollars in your 401K when you are 50?
That's how much many state employee pensions are worth.
A career as a CA state employee essentially guarantees you will retire a millionaire, probably a multimillionaire.
And you will likely retire earlier than most.
Plus, the money is guaranteed. No worries about stock market fluctuations. If the pension fund goes broke, every one (read:taxpayers) must pitch in more to make up the difference.
Not climbing related?
So why do you think we have to close State Parks?
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squishy
Mountain climber
Sac town
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:37pm PT
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I am a state employee, I work for the THE destination department for all of the reason given above...I have sh#t pay, I have sh#t retirement...
the problem is not the current or new employees, its the old ones from when things were going good...you never complained then so shut the f*#k up now...
when things are going good, the private sector did way better, in every way, I never heard any complaints then, so again, shut the F up, and if you think the state workers got a dream job, come join us and quit bitching, the opportunity is available to everyone...it took me 5 years to even get an interview, good luck to you...if you can't beat them, join them...
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:37pm PT
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Mangy Peasant, you're right on target -- and we're already broke now. Imagine what will happen as more of my fellow Baby Boomers take advantage of that lucrative retirement.
John
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squishy
Mountain climber
Sac town
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:44pm PT
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Meg? hahahahahahaha, please...don't make me laugh...
I had a nice conversation with Newt's daughter on a flight back from Boston this year, she even said Meg was a loser...
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:46pm PT
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My dad worked for state water resources. He gave up higher wages for steady work and a decent retirement. During the years he worked, most engineering jobs were paying close to double and sometimes triple what he made as a state engineer. I know because I saw the job offers he got, plus his brother kept sending him job offers as he moved from job to job. But the work meant moving from place to place every 5 years or so. My mother didn't want to move that much, so my dad chose working for the state.
Lower wages, better benefits.. Deal with it.
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squishy
Mountain climber
Sac town
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:51pm PT
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leave it the neocons to stay on topic and provide insightful and relevant information to the conversation...
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:51pm PT
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Union
Union
Union
This is why the entire US broke and there will be no RECOVERY ever
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:52pm PT
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We need to work to save our billionaires.
Billionaires... An endangered species.
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apogee
climber
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:57pm PT
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It's because of the selfish, greedy middle class who just can't see fit to support those endangered billionaires.
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:57pm PT
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It's not all state employees that are the problem. It is mostly public safety jobs and prison guards that are overcompensated.
And teachers get a bad rap. Their pensions are not on par with other state employees.
Of course we want to pay folks well. I wish everyone could make $100K+ a year, and retire comfortably at 50. Most folks deserve it, but reality doesn't allow it.
Squishy is right - much of the commitments are made and cannot be undone without violating basic principles of contract law (not a good precedent.) But we should still "complain" about what we can fix because we are robbing our children of their future so that fireman Bob can buy a mega RV.
It's great that we want to compensate our "heros" so well, but are you willing to give up your kid's or your grand-kid's UC education to do it?
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squishy
Mountain climber
Sac town
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Aug 30, 2011 - 04:04pm PT
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yup...
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 30, 2011 - 04:05pm PT
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+1 for DMT's post. Prop 13 sucks, and so do voter initiatives. I always vote no on statewide voter initiatives.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 30, 2011 - 04:11pm PT
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i'm tired of these california threads because we've done them so many frickin times, the basic outlines of the problem are clear to everyone who is in policy circles, the math has been gone over a jillion times.
im not going to rehearse, for the jillionth time on st, the basic constraints or link yet again to the actual budget or the volumes of serious scholarly and wonk analysis all coming to the same basic conclusions again.
but i will repost the budget simulator. here it is, yet again, a model of the california budget as constrained by the insane mix of constitutional amendments, federal constitutional mandates, and voter mandates the determine how the money gets spent. the challenge has two steps. first step, the easy one: work out the numbers that will balance the state's budget. step two (a bit tougher) give us an actionable political plan for implementing those numbers.
ive done this any number of times. al i ever get back is crickets.
have at it folks:
http://www.nextten.org/budgettool/site/thesim/flashcheck.html
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