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Klimmer
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San Diego
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 18, 2011 - 10:38pm PT
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I'll be honest. I didn't know much about Ayn Rand until just recently.
Why are GOPers and especially Tea-Party members raving about Ayn Rand so much lately? What is her draw? Why do they espouse her philosophy? What is her philosophy?
No wonder they are sick and deluded. Their hero, Ayn Rand, is a psychopath.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand
The Truth About GOP Hero Ayn Rand – ThinkProgressVideo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x574778
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7zwO88nRH8
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/18/truth-about-ayn-rand
“During her lifetime, Rand advocated “the virtue of selfishness,” declared altruism to be “evil,” opposed Medicare and all forms of government support for the middle-class and the poor, and condemned Christianity for advocating love and compassion for the less fortunate.
Rand also dismissed the feminist movement as a “false” and “phony” issue, said a female commander in chief would be “unspeakable,” characterized Arabs as “almost totally primitive savages,” and called government efforts to aid the handicapped and educate “subnormal children” an attempt to “bring everybody to the level of the handicapped.”
http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/ayn-rand-in-uganda-2/
ATLAS SHRIEKED: Ayn Rand's first love was a sadistic serial killer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x913404
http://exiledonline.com/atlas-shrieked-why-ayn-rands-right-wing-followers-are-scarier-than-the-manson-family-and-the-gruesome-story-of-the-serial-killer-who-stole-ayn-rands-heart/
One of my Facebook friends posted this article to his profile today. It isn't a new one, but somehow I missed it the first time around. Like Adolf Hitler, Ayn Rand wasn't just a sociopath but a crusading sociopath--her goal was to make the world over in her own sociopathic image. It's absolutely terrifying how close that goal has come to its fulfillment, at least in the United States.
The description of the murder and dismemberment of the 12-year-old kidnapping victim is very brutal and graphic and I'm not going to quote from it. There's a photograph of the cops picking up the pieces (literally) along a highway also.
--Linda
ATLAS SHRIEKED: Ayn Rand’s First Love and Mentor Was A Sadistic Serial Killer Who Dismembered Little Girls
February 26, 2010
By Mark Ames
There’s something deeply unsettling about living in a country where millions of people froth at the mouth at the idea of giving health care to the tens of millions of Americans who don’t have it, or who take pleasure at the thought of privatizing and slashing bedrock social programs like Social Security or Medicare. It might not be as hard to stomach if other Western countries also had a large, vocal chunk of the population who thought like this, but the US is seemingly the only place where right-wing elites can openly share their distaste for the working poor. Where do they find their philosophical justification for this kind of attitude?
It turns out, you can trace much of this thinking back to Ayn Rand, a popular cult-philosopher who plays Charlie to the American right-wing’s Manson Family. Read on and you’ll see why.
One reason why most countries don’t find the time to embrace her thinking is that Ayn Rand is a textbook sociopath. Literally a sociopath: Ayn Rand, in her notebooks, worshiped a notorious serial murderer-dismemberer, and used this killer as an early model for the type of “ideal man” that Rand promoted in her more famous books — ideas which were later picked up on and put into play by major right-wing figures of the past half decade, including the key architects of America’s most recent economic catastrophe — former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan and SEC Commissioner Chris Cox — along with other notable right-wing Republicans such as Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, Rush Limbaugh, and South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford.
Back in the late 1920s, as Ayn Rand was working out her philosophy, she became enthralled by a real-life American serial killer, William Edward Hickman, whose gruesome, sadistic dismemberment of 12-year-old girl named Marion Parker in 1927 shocked the nation. Rand filled her early notebooks with worshipful praise of Hickman. According to biographer Jennifer Burns, author of Goddess of the Market, Rand was so smitten by Hickman that she modeled her first literary creation — Danny Renahan, the protagonist of her unfinished first novel, The Little Street — on him.
What did Rand admire so much about Hickman? His sociopathic qualities: “Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should,” she wrote, gushing that Hickman had “no regard whatsoever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. He has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel ‘other people.’”
This echoes almost word for word Rand’s later description of her character Howard Roark, the hero of her novel The Fountainhead: “He was born without the ability to consider others.”
(The Fountainhead is Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’s favorite book — he even makes his clerks learn it.)
Source:
http://exiledonline.com/atlas-shrieked-why-ayn-rands-right-wing-followers-are-scarier-than-the-manson-family-and-the-gruesome-story-of-the-serial-killer-who-stole-ayn-rands-heart/
I wont be buying any of her books. They are stacking them at Costco. Nor will I be seeing the movie.
Atlas Shrugged. What garbage.
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Ed Hartouni
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Livermore, CA
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Apr 18, 2011 - 10:43pm PT
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 18, 2011 - 10:48pm PT
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I think it's a step in the right direction if you can get a republican to read a book, other than the Bible, even if it's a bad book.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Apr 18, 2011 - 10:54pm PT
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To be honest, my attention span could not handle that size of book unless I were truly passionate of the topic.
However, I think there are much more "evil" people to undermine than Ayn Rand.
Have you actually read the book?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 18, 2011 - 11:07pm PT
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If the GOP actually had a love affair with Ayn Rand ( and acted like it ), I would be tempted to register Republican.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Apr 18, 2011 - 11:32pm PT
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While I'm tempted to agree Klimmer, Im not into people who bash books they haven't read.
Did you actually read Atlas Shrugged?
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Nohea
Trad climber
Sunny Aiea,Hi
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Apr 18, 2011 - 11:35pm PT
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And the Great Recession is all their fault
Hilarious!
Beats me about the t party but the GOP has historically hated and been hated by Rand. She was an athiest and many other points that I and likely the GOP would disagree with. That accusation about the murderer is sick, if not supported by a relaible source I would find it in pretty poor taste.
What her books, well the few I have read, Atlas Shrugged, Foutainhead, Capitalism, We the living... well lets just say I have read a few; her fiction tales promote the individual, and ridule the collective. I believe in the individual and will always resist the collective.
Just because a few repubs quote her hardly means a love affair is going on, and Ayn did know about those.
Cheers and Aloha,
will
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 18, 2011 - 11:40pm PT
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Alisa Rosenbaum (her real name) was a hypocrite like most of her modern day "keep your govt hands off my medicare" fan-bois.
Railing against the New Deal and Great Society policies, and then receiving Medicare when she was faced with the results of her heavy smoking habit. Even went to the trouble of applying under her husband's last name so as to conceal her hypocrisy from her adoring mini-Galts.
Most people with an emotional development beyond the 14yr old stage reject her "philosophy" out of hand, and calling it "philosophy" is really straining the term.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2011 - 11:45pm PT
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Port,
I already said I wasn't going to purchase any of her books or see the movie. So no I haven't. Nor will I. I already know her gig. 3.5 min video and a few articles on who she really is by people I trust to tell me the truth.
She is a selfish psycho.
She could be the bride of Lucifer and probably is.
And this is who the GOP and Tea-Party esteem? No wonder they are so evil.
Is Fattrad ("The Evil One") into Ayn Rand? I wonder.
Yo, Fattrad are you into Ayn Rand? Enquiring minds want to know.
lol.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Apr 18, 2011 - 11:47pm PT
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Ein Rant
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 18, 2011 - 11:49pm PT
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Klimmer, they do have public libraries in your part of the world, don't they?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2011 - 11:56pm PT
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Library? What's that?
The books I like to read are usually not in public libraries. You know forbidden secret knowledge and all. Why? Well, its forbidden of course. lol.
Actually, I'm the worst on books. I dog-ear pages, write notes in margins, and tend to carry them everywhere and bang them up until I'm finished reading them.
Nope I will not be buying any of her books at Costco. Talk about the GOP and Tea-Party pushing books. Can it be any more obvious?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 18, 2011 - 11:59pm PT
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Klimmer, sometimes I wonder if you're posting to the Taco from under some bridge...
they have Ayn Rand at your local library, just go down and check it out and read it... otherwise you as much a putz as those who extol her virtues without every having read a word of her...
you live in some sort of Klimmer generated universe... it is totally bizarre...
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 19, 2011 - 12:16am PT
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I have read both the Fountainhead and Atlas Sharted. I can see why she named herself after her typewriter ("Rand"...that's where it came from) because the emotionally stunted nutjob did LOVE to type if the length of these bricks masquerading as novels is any indication.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 19, 2011 - 12:17am PT
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Ed,
Yes, if I was interested I'm sure I could go to the L-I-B-R-A-R-Y and check out any of her books. If I was interested . . .
Something easier though . . .
3.5 minute video and to the point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7zwO88nRH8
Do you really think I would be interested in hearing anything she has to say in any fictional book she has written after that very short interview? Nope. She said all I need to know.
She is a selfish sociopath (or psychopath, take your pick).
Now why would I waste my precious time with any of her writings?
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Apr 19, 2011 - 12:23am PT
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if I was interested I'm sure I could go to the L-I-B-R-A-R-Y and check out any of her books. If I was interested . . .
I dont understand. You're interested enough to have an opinion and post a thread about it on supertopo, yet are too lazy to actually read your source material?
I have a feeling this has been your pattern for a long time.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 19, 2011 - 12:26am PT
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I will repeat . . .
Do you really think I would be interested in hearing anything she has to say in any fictional book she has written after that very short interview? Nope. She said all I need to know.
She is a selfish sociopath (or psychopath, take your pick).
Now why would I waste my precious time with any of her writings?
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Apr 19, 2011 - 12:30am PT
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I've read her books and can give you this advice: don't.
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