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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 6, 2011 - 04:10pm PT
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The NPS has cleaned up it's act in the last couple of decades: no more firefall or feeding Grizzlies in Yellowstone. Why, then, do they still allow the cables on Half Dome? The only Via Ferrata in the National Park System, the cables mar the landscape, create a circus like atmosphere, and enable unqualified people to get in harms way.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Leave them be. All the buildings in the valley are marring and f*ing a beautiful ecosystem, are you advocating tearing down the lodge, the pizza deck, the stores and the Awahenne?
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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enable unqualified people to get in harms way.
You mean, like, climbers?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Perhaps the upcoming federal government shutdown would be a good opportunity for donini to get started.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Tear the cable down and tear down the AHWAHNEE knucklehead. If ya can't spell it prolly don't mean that much to you. But the cable are a mess. I try to take as many gloves outa there when I come down. If I left junk like that anywhere else in the park....it's a ticket for littering, the top of Half Dome is littered with waste from tourons who couldn't get there without the cables. I agree with Jim..get rid of them.
Peace
call me Jim....I'll help ya!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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"Perhaps the upcoming federal government shutdown would be a good opportunity for donini to get started. "
I thought the thread WAS going to be about suggesting this was the time....hahahah
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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I dont have a dog in this fight. But I think that safety is a concern.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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It's kinda artsy....
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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+1 on what coz says
too many freaked out people death gripping the cables. Half expect them to reach out and latch onto you as you go buy them.
I think I asked this before, but isn't there a rap route that avoids the cables for climbers?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Man that picture makes it look like fun: nothing like standing in a good line for a slightly weird but sanitized experience. Like a Grateful Dead show in the good old days!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 6, 2011 - 04:33pm PT
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Port's picture looks like a perfect place for a demonstration of the domino effect.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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I would support banning climbing in the park before I would support taking down the cables. The only people who would benefit would be a few elderly egotistical climbers. Cheers,
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Is the domino effect similar to the donini effect?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 6, 2011 - 04:49pm PT
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Your response wasn't very well thought out boulder (climber?).
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Unless you climb butt naked without shoes or chalk it is all aid.
Jim, is this really a question of climbing style and ethics? ;-)
(In my alone private wilderness time I try to climb without aid. I'm a veritable "Never Cry Wolf" running butt naked up the rock in the wilderness. Very cool.
I'm mean it. It's really cold. Shrinkage butt cold.
Just kidding . . . lol)
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wallyvirginia
Big Wall climber
Stockholm, Sweden
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I had no idea it could look like that, guess I was there on a good day..
I was amazed that a system like the cables on HD would exist in the us where lawsuits seem so common and limitless..
This kind of thing would never be seen in Sweden, even though we have the unique law of "every mans right" which allows you to go anywhere you please in the wild (without permit) as long as you leave no trace, camp out of seeing or hearing distance of residential houses and change camp every 24 hours.
But something like this would have to have a ticketbox, obligatory guide and brand spanking via ferrata harness and hooks for rent..
Obviuously I didn't encounter the hords of tourists but I thought that the cables was a cool experience. Kind of like 5.zero free soloing.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 6, 2011 - 05:06pm PT
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Bruce Kay, there may not be many accidents and, yes, you can find solitude over the next ridge, but do the cables belong in what is a wilderness area of a National Park? Everyone to their own opinion but I believe they are an anachronisn that should go.
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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The only Via Ferrata in the National Park System...
Acadia Natl Park has several trails that are at least as much a via ferrata. The Precipice Trail comes to mind.
Edited to add:
GO
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Gene
climber
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The recent permit system for access to the cables is the first step in what will eventually be their inevitable removal.
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