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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Northern Mexico
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 15, 2005 - 04:37pm PT
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Edit as you vote.
Yes 1
No 0
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Russ Walling
Social climber
NOT FOR LOAN™ CC3
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Dec 15, 2005 - 04:43pm PT
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Who is Skinner?? Where are the bolts??
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estwing
Trad climber
montreal
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Dec 15, 2005 - 04:44pm PT
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Hi Juan,
As someone who will likely never climb wet denim, why should I care if their are bolts on it? Will you ever climb it? If you do will it be free? I bet you would clip those bolts even if you where aiding the route. Why bother taking them out, just prove how hard you really are by skipping them. Then you can say "I am bolder than Mr. Skinner" (though I can't free 5.13).
yes 1
no 1
who really gives a sh*t anyway?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Northern Mexico
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 15, 2005 - 04:46pm PT
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Please just vote, we really do not need the dumbass comments!
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Ben Rumsen
Social climber
No Name City ( and it sure ain't pretty )
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Dec 15, 2005 - 04:47pm PT
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Yes 2
No 1
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crotch
climber
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Dec 15, 2005 - 04:47pm PT
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Northern Mexico
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 15, 2005 - 04:48pm PT
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You f*#king children!
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Oregon Boy
Trad climber
OR
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Dec 15, 2005 - 04:49pm PT
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no.
Yes 2
No 2
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Bilbo
Trad climber
Truckee
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Dec 15, 2005 - 04:53pm PT
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Juan, You really should let the Diebold voting machines do the counting, run by coiler.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Northern Mexico
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 15, 2005 - 04:54pm PT
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Yes 984
No 2
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Northern Mexico
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 15, 2005 - 05:02pm PT
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It could be very serious, we have a record of the vote, and the tabulation?
How is it different than any voting, most people do not spend hours weighing the facts!
If the name Skinner comes up I vote chop!
JDF
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426
Sport climber
Roun' Chatt
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Dec 15, 2005 - 05:09pm PT
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Bilbo
Trad climber
Truckee
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Dec 15, 2005 - 05:26pm PT
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I just re-read Coiler's original post;
He plans to climb it soon and CHOP all 15 bolts, no need for a vote or an opinion.
He's keeping the valley BOLD.
This is an issue for the locals, everyone else needs to mind there own buisness. There are plenty of places to bolt-up sh#t, the Valley is not one of them.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Dec 15, 2005 - 05:33pm PT
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Yes.
Yes - 3
No - 2
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pc
climber
Eastside
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Dec 15, 2005 - 05:38pm PT
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Do Canadians get to vote?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 15, 2005 - 05:42pm PT
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Bilbo says Coiler's going to chop all 15 bolts but is that true?
Supposedly only 5 bolts are near the original route, the rest on free variations, and we hear only 2 are within actual reach of the aid climbing. So while yur all votin, you might distinguish which bolts derserve to be chopped and why. Is it ethical to Rap Chop and why?
Keep in mind that Todd had the Fa's permission and that Ammon himself said that only one bolt was within easy reach of the original route. The bolt that would keep a free climber from decking on Ahwahnee ledge.
What Coilers decides to do or not do is differnent (maybe) from what the community decides. Just cause bolts come out doesn't mean they stay out unless we have some kind of meeting of the minds.
Peace
karl
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Mr_T
Trad climber
Somewhere, CA
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Dec 15, 2005 - 05:44pm PT
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This reminds me of some advice a friend gave me after I had a run in with an a-hole surfer once at a total beginner area. The advice - "the a-hole was some old guy who used to be good, but is now past his time". Same deal here. WDD was once scary stuff. It's relatively easy now (I did the route 7 years ago). Sounds like it's gone free. The guy who's gonna chop it probably can't free it. He probably once climbed some hard stuff, but probably not any more. Can he repeat Skinner's route on free? Can he free something else and set a better standard?
Why free WDD? I don't know - there's better stuff to free out there. Why chop it? Is there a lack of A3/A4 in the Valley? Ego vs. Ego.
Be the better person and don't go chopping. It only makes a mess on the cliff and doesn't help the climbing community.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Dec 15, 2005 - 05:48pm PT
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This Hoser voted in the last US election. Clever, eh?
I guess you Merricans don't know how to count, huh?
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pc
climber
Eastside
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Dec 15, 2005 - 05:51pm PT
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Prolly 'cause that "diebold" thing had a special exemption for W voting hosers, eh?
Me too, eh. But not the W part.
Perhaps we just cancelled each other out. WTF.
;)
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