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Acer
Big Wall climber
AZ
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 28, 2010 - 08:58pm PT
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Some are newer and some are older.
Bought a few 10 years ago to add to the stuff I already had. Black Diamonds and Chouinards.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Aug 28, 2010 - 09:06pm PT
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When did they start coating them with that thick black paint crap?
(like the one in the middle above)
Was that when Camp started making them or something?
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Aug 28, 2010 - 09:09pm PT
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The LA is such a cool, simplistic design. It belongs in the MOMA.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Aug 28, 2010 - 09:17pm PT
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Gotta dig the Arrow.
Acer, I might have a few of your pins =)
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 28, 2010 - 09:24pm PT
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Any of your Arrows say "USA" on the other side from Lost Arrow? Arrow production shifted to Camp in Italy after about 1975 so "Italy" shows up on the neck.
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mongrel
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Aug 28, 2010 - 09:36pm PT
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Mucci, you gotta photoshop those wire gates out of that picture, and put some scratches on those pristine ones on the biner. Interesting that you've got a couple of short 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 angles there. Did you already saw those off way long ago? Or they came that way? not from GP Ironworks.
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Acer
Big Wall climber
AZ
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2010 - 09:39pm PT
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Hey Yellow was my choice of color too. Oh boy.
2 are USA
14 are Italy
The Italy vary from being close to the blade, centered, or the strike end.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Aug 28, 2010 - 09:40pm PT
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Ha^
Kinda goes against the whole "Iron" theme I got going on.
Steve, I have several with the USA Stamp.
Those are the keepers.
Edit:
Mongrel- I was trying to sell those shiny ones but no buyers here....
Gave em to a friend, keeping pitoncraft alive in at least one more soul.
Those are sawed offs.
Arrows, especially the fat ones are great to saw off as well, I have used one I chopped off down to 1" from the eye. Perfect when you need it.
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Acer
Big Wall climber
AZ
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2010 - 09:59pm PT
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USA is a little hard to tell with my shaky hand.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 28, 2010 - 10:06pm PT
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The earliest die forged Lost arrows showed up in 1963-64 and were only marked Lost Arrow. Tom Frost told me that a set of dies was good for a couple of years only so the neck of the piton gradually became beefier and the USA showed up as the dies were redesigned along the way.
I don't have a set of Chouinard catalogs to narrow down the USA marking. I would guess 1968 to 1970.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 30, 2010 - 09:55am PT
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I think the design tweaking stopped before Tom left Chouinard Equipment in 75 and after the production moved to Italy. He had beefed up the web on the eye as much as was needed for longevity.
So Chris, your observation about Acer's Arrows is fairly accurate. The answer is modern era.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 30, 2010 - 09:24pm PT
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The only truly significant change in the Arrow was the loss of the true short thin shown above. The #1 Camp Arrow is much beefier.
The extensive hand shaping of the die forged blanks produced a variety of widths and tapers in the older Lost Arrows that allowed for variation even within a "size."
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Thorgon
Big Wall climber
Sedro Woolley, WA
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Aug 30, 2010 - 10:51pm PT
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I liked Goldfinger!
Previously posted.
Thor
P.P.S. Mucci, the Lost arrows lower right are mine, just need gold paint!
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Calling all Boodawgs!
I bet Dennis Henneck can nail down when the "USA" stamp showed up. I am beginning to think second or third die run or about 1966.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Yous guys better ease up on the heavy paint jobs less'n ya wants to hafta
start filing Environmental Impact studies of the effect of chipped paint on
the rodentae and water runoff of El Whatever.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
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This piton was found in 1958 near the summit of Mount Saint Nicholas in Glacier Park by my cool friend Ed. Ed was a friend of my Dad's and is an amazing guy. He and another young lad made two early ascents of that mountain, both by new routes up the steep southwest side. They climbed without ropes and rappelled with a hemp rope dulfer style.
Anyway not many ascents had been made, a few in the 1930s and none during the war years. Anyway to ID this thing? It is stamped Zurich Switzerland and some other word I can't quite make out that starts with FRCH_?
Arne
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hammerhead
Mountain climber
Eastsound,Wa.
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Thorgon, what are what the pieces in your photo just above that look like flat washers with the swaged cable loops for ? rivet hangers?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Hammerhead! It is likely that Thorgon won't answer your question. He last posted here in 2012. Since he was also from Idaho, I enjoyed his posts, then
Poof! He was gone.
My most favorite Thorgon photo was of a poster his geology field camp group had borrowed from a rural Idaho bar & posted with some rural Idaho mountains.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Arne
This is a Sporthaus Fritsch, Zürich, piton
Here's another one
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