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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 19, 2010 - 12:10am PT
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both informative, and funny, and sad - about the mess in the Gulf
(starts slow, but gets better - you'll actually learn something I'll bet)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6ZN6r5-1QE
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willie!!!!!
Trad climber
99827
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May 19, 2010 - 12:43am PT
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WOW. I thought I had a sailors mouth. Totally justified.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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May 19, 2010 - 12:47am PT
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This huge environmental mess is out of hand. I watched the 60 minutes report on the cause of the accident. This is the equivelant of the Exxon Valdez every 5 days with no end in sight. BP, Haliburton and Trans(something) truly disregarded their safety plan, equiptment and escape proceedures.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 19, 2010 - 12:53am PT
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I have a hard time following this. It breaks my heart.
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Chinchen
climber
Anacortes, wa
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May 19, 2010 - 01:39am PT
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Yea, this whole thing is crazy sad. How long till the ocean is wrecked completely? We need Bruckhiemer to come up with and ending for this real soon....
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willie!!!!!
Trad climber
99827
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May 19, 2010 - 01:50am PT
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What if this sea-change caused some sort of sea-change?
I'm tempted to hope, but there's just so many of us and even needs have needs.........
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Topic Author's Reply - May 19, 2010 - 01:58am PT
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I have to selfishly admit that I sure am glad the lefties on the left coast kept this sh#t out of our backyard. Sad for Louisianians though - but they're poor and don't mind so much - right?
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apogee
climber
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May 19, 2010 - 02:35am PT
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"I have a hard time following this."
Yeah, me too. Because at this point in time in this still unfolding disaster, we are all in a horrified wait-and-see mode, and are building visions of what is to come based on what we have experienced in the past, i.e. Exxon-Valdez. That's the worst part of a disaster- the looming, blank fear of the unknown, filled in by our own imaginations.
I have no doubt that this disaster will (already has?) eclipse the E-V episode in terms of localized environmental and economic impact on the US. The blaming finger is already swinging around, and will eventually settle on one entity or another, whether it be Red, Blue, or oil-black....when in fact, we all hold personal, direct responsibility for creating the need.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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May 19, 2010 - 02:53am PT
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hey there all, say... i too, am too sad to even read this...
but, we can't miss the headlines, at times on yahoo,etc...
what really gets me is this:
they continually tell folks, "it is now hopeful, that they will stop the leak"
and each time they fail, they STILL post hopeful promises, though they THUS keep saying how fearful they are of its full traveling potential, which is:
just admiting, that they already knew that they could not stop it...
:(
no truth, it seems, was ever being told, as to really being able to stop it...
very sad...
:(
*another scary thought, from the good book:
there are many warnings of a third of the sea being ruined...
fish and all...
and a thirds of the green/herbs being dried up and no more to grow...
and another third---hmmm, forgot what it was...
well, sadly, this oil spill sure seems to be pushing towards that kind of a route...
:(
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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May 19, 2010 - 03:43am PT
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Amazing video. Holy crap.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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May 19, 2010 - 04:15am PT
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hey there rocker mike.. say, thanks for posting something more truthful than the news media.. i will go see it now...
god bless.. take care...
:)
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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May 19, 2010 - 05:03am PT
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A difficult issue, at best.
The enclosure won't work, because methane acts strangely at such depths. That gas forms ice crystals. Recovering methane from icy depths is probably a big part of our future energy activity.
But, right now, right there, the methane ice clogged their dome. Bad.
BP is probably no worse than Clarus, aka William Beatty Kanders, who now controls Black Diamond.
Black Diamond is now Typhoid Peter, transmitting the infectious MBA (morally bankrupt as#@&%e) management disaster paradigm of the Ohio armor industry (helmets, vests, HumVees) to Salt Lake City.
And infecting the gear you use (used to use) to trust your life.
You don't have to buy the ticket, take the ride - the ride is already happening.
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the kid
Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
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May 19, 2010 - 08:59am PT
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the push for insane corporate profits is what caused this disaster. and the deregulation that bush cheney did for their oil bro's is what caused this.
we the people need to hold those accountable and drill baby drill should not be the way of the future, as the result will be spill baby spill...
makes me sick to my gut..
ks
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TrevorJ
Trad climber
Aberdeen Scotland
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May 19, 2010 - 09:58am PT
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The lid/cover is mainly a PR exercise. The only way BP is going to stop the oil spill is either to release the marine riser from the well head and latch on a new choke/kill ram and marine riser (assuming the wellhead isn't damaged). They could then re-enter the well and kill it. Low proability of suscess with 5,000 barrels per day flowing out.
Or to drill an intersection well to the existing casing section above the oil produceing resivoir and cement it in. The Transocean rig that sunk was a 6th generation deepwater rig, maybe 10 or 15 operating around the world, probably 3 in the Gulf of Mexico. They have to find and hit a casing string that will either be 9 5/8" or 13" in diameter that is probaly 5 to 7,000' under ground (plus 5,000' water depth).
They will know the X,Y,Z coridinates of the casing string and there are stearable drill bits with magnetic sensors to help them locate the casing string. I was invloved in the drilling of a relief well in the North sea (luckily ours didn't blow out) and it is not an easy operation. Best guess would be 40 to 60 days to drill and cement off the well.
On top of the eco disater, 11 guys died.
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Jingy
Social climber
Nowhere
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May 19, 2010 - 11:02am PT
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I wonder why a multi-billion $$$ company cannot take the time and resourse to avoid such an incident..
in other words..
if the company had any real plan this would no have happened, and it would not have caused the devistation it has...
Mulit-billion dollar company should certainly be able to protect the worlds ocean from the possibility of a giant spill regardless of where it happens (on sea - during extraction, on sea - during transit, on land - in transit, in the refinery - during refining, in transit - getting it to the gas station....)
But I also understand that the multi-billion dollar company has their eyes on one thing only.... PROFITS!!!!
When are we human beings/citizens (around the world) going to recognize this foor what it is... a black mark in humanity, the consequence of which we may never really know.
Just Remember... the ocean... it's all connected...
or are we going to pray that water with oil in it doesn't go outside the gulf? Pray that that oily water is not passed through the systems of any number of fish in said water... pray that that fish is not plucked from the sea, delivered to a store near you, and eventually to your dinner table.. just pray that that does not happen..
and pray that evolution doesn't get rid of us by way of contamination of the species....
good luck with that.
I'm for more of this devistation being visited on the companies that profit in this way...
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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May 19, 2010 - 11:16am PT
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Certainly no chance of this happening again soon...
...ONLY 3,700+ other wells in the vicinity
edit: don't forget to click the pic for better details
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Josh Nash
Social climber
riverbank ca
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May 19, 2010 - 11:28am PT
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Its total crap. BP subcontracted out the operation of the platform and is trying to pass the buck saying "it's not our fault but we'll try to fix it anyway." A company with profits in the billions per quater and this is the best they can do? really this is all the effort you are giving it. A failed cap here crashed robots there. Russia even offered the advice of nuking it to colapse the leak. BP doesnt want to do that because it will wreck the equipment already in place. That means after the leak is sealed another platform will be built and the oil will flow again waiting for another disaster......
edit: the above statement is from sh#t I heard on the radio and the quote isn't a realy quote from anyone.
good day to you gentle people...
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