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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 29, 2010 - 09:48pm PT
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Damn the Government is doing as well as expected...
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Indianclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Jan 29, 2010 - 10:30pm PT
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Frikkin as#@&%es!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 30, 2010 - 01:17am PT
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hey there mark, say, was there a link, here, for folks to go read up on this ...?
thanks, just wondering...
god bless...
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10b4me
Ice climber
Ice Caves at the Sads
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Jan 30, 2010 - 01:23am PT
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freakin' sucks
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 30, 2010 - 01:30am PT
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hey there 10b4me... say, it is very sad... i wanted to share this with my buddies... they love horse too, though it will be sad, i really think they'd want to know about it...
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Jan 30, 2010 - 02:01am PT
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"Of the 1,447 horses gathered so far, about 0.2 percent have died at the roundup site and 1.8 percent have died in all."
what's the native population death rate? compare that to these numbers and we can see what the issue is. sad to see a horse go down.
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Jan 30, 2010 - 02:08am PT
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native population? Horses aren't native to this continent.
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flakyfoont
Trad climber
carsoncity nv
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Jan 30, 2010 - 02:25am PT
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the wild horses may not be native to this continent, but neither are we.
it makes my day when im in the nevada backcountry and i see a group of non natives standing their ground around a disappearing water hole. ears back .
teeth bared. manes at the withers standin up. ready to charge at a glance.
wild is wild.
let em roam free.
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Greg Barnes
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Jan 30, 2010 - 02:38am PT
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native population? Horses aren't native to this continent. That's what I always thought, but it turns out they are pretty darn close to native, since they are very close genetically to horses which only went extinct 11,000 years ago (a very short time evolutionarily speaking).
And humans very likely killed off the native horses.
So it's kind of a funny thing - bringing old-world horses to the Americas may actually have been an unintentional reintroduction of native wild animals - sort of like bringing condors back.
Interesting viewpoint to consider...
Unlike burros, which are totally non-native.
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MisterE
Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
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Jan 30, 2010 - 03:04am PT
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Horses hold a specific significance to the development of humanity.
When we first got on their backs, it was a completely different power that was enabled.
The power of control over other creatures for transportation, and locomotion beyond our comprehension at the time.
Sad to see how disassociated we have become from that gift.
Peace, Erik Out.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 30, 2010 - 04:48am PT
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The horses just want to live and be free...just like us. Very sad. Reminds me of the movie "The Misfits". Horses are such beautiful creatures. They represent something much greater then any real or imagined threat to the environment/man. Let them live and be free.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 30, 2010 - 05:03am PT
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It is easy to "think" with one's heart, but the sad fact is that without predation their numbers grow until massive die offs occur from natural pressures. Check out some of the scenes from Australia. Nature is cruel.
They don't belong.
A healthy ecosystem requires predation.
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Carolyn C
Trad climber
the long, long trailer
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Jan 30, 2010 - 02:01pm PT
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In your opinion, Ron, exactly who DOES belong?
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jan 30, 2010 - 02:07pm PT
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Nature is cruel.
Gee.. thanks Ron.
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North
climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 02:17pm PT
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So, this is gonna piss off some folks, but....
First, these are not "wild" horses, they are feral.
Second, it costs $1M annually to support one horse. Now, that's regardless of gov't waste (that's another topic altogether).
Third, one horse needs 25 acres to thrive.
Fouth, horses decimate areas. Absolutley decimate wotering holes, grazing areas, drainages, etc.
There are 66,000 "wild" horses in the continental US. This program alone will bankrupt the BLM. Now, I realize that loads of folks think that's fine, but then who's gonna regulate ranchers, fires, recrational users, etc.
Who's gonna continue to pay for this program? People would rather pay for this then health care. Sentiment is fine and dandy, but let's get real.
Flame on...
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flakyfoont
Trad climber
carsoncity nv
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Jan 30, 2010 - 02:29pm PT
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These feral horses do tear up vast areas of wilderness.Never mind the cows.
The Reno Gazette this morning reports 26 horses dead.
Maybe the $1.35 that ranchers pay per head to graze cattle will help them pay for the damages.
Until then my dogs will still turn their noses up to pedigree and alpo canned dog food ,that include other working class animals as food.
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Prezwoodz
climber
Anchorage
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Jan 30, 2010 - 02:33pm PT
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Okay North your comments just seem absolutely fabricated to me. I have no idea why it would cost 1,000,000 to support one horse. That ridiculous. That means that currently it is costing the government 37 billion dollars a year to support these horses!
The rest of the comments don't really seem to hold much either...but hey thats just me.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 02:37pm PT
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Finally an issue where Ron and I are in agreement.
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North
climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 02:47pm PT
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Sorry, it costs $1m for the lifetime of one horse.
It takes 25 acres per horse per day, that's why they have to keep moving. These horses are freaking starving to death. They even fight each other for water. That means someone's going thirsty. Not too mention taking the opportunity for other animals to thrive in the same area.
Just sayin'....
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