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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Mar 21, 2009 - 06:58pm PT
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reading it now.....
wow.
I have met moof.
This surprises me.
MOOF _ EDIT THAT SH#T AWAY
wow.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Mar 21, 2009 - 07:06pm PT
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It's just awful.
And now there's going to be absurd BULLSH#T all over that thread.
Tia shouldn't go there.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Upper Fupa, North Dakota
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Mar 21, 2009 - 07:27pm PT
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In reality, when is the grief ever over? Is it 10 days? 45 days? 10 years? Never?
What he wrote is one guys experience on one pitch with Woody. BFD. One pitch is not a career. I have done and will do more stoopid or sketchy things as my climbing career crawls along. If any of you could have seen me on any given day, you might think I'm unsafe or an accident waiting to happen. Granted there is a raw nerve right now, but perhaps even you Cosmic have seen the things the Moof was talking about. I don't know either way. Right now is just a hard time to filter all that is happening, but it does not mean that it has either not happened in the past, nor will not happen in the future with any of us.
All that is really "potentially" wrong with Moofs post is the timing. Perhaps for him the grief is over?
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Mar 21, 2009 - 07:48pm PT
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"FUK Rockclimbing.com"
well, duh....
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Mar 21, 2009 - 07:50pm PT
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While I can understand the deep emotional pain the personal friends of Woody are experiencing and rightly so - I can also understand those who were not close personal friends of Woody wanting to know what happened.
I've luckily not had a friend die while climbing - but have had friends die skydiving (Jan Davis off El Cap for one). In those cases, a USPA preliminary incident report was filed within days of the accident with a more detailed forensic report within 30. It wasn't disrespectful - it gave us answers and it gave us closure and it gave us wisdom for our own selves.
Someone mentioned on one of these thread that climbers are a curious bunch - we want to know what and why.
There is NO disrespect in this request and I feel that if Wendell or whoever was directly involved could file a report that much of this angst and speculation would go away.
Having said this - I will agree that Moof was inconsiderate in describing Woody in the way that he did. It may have been tasteless to Woody's close friends, but it may also be true for what little I know. Doesn't change the end result.
Locker and Cosmic - you have to step back for one second and realize that not everyone on RC.com or ST had the same relationship to Woody that the two of you have been blessed with having.
You lost one of the Three Musketeers - the greater of us lost someone we only knew from afar. We can't possibly even begin to feel the same degree of pain that each of you feel. You lost a best friend - but we who didn't have that same relationship only lost an avatar on a website - see the difference?
It is painfully obvious how upset you are over this senseless loss - Locker especially is wearing his pain in public, Cosmic to a less angry degree.
You have every right to rant and rave over the unfairness of life - but aren't you also interested in what happened? Don't you want to know too?
Closure comes from answering such questions.
There is no disrespect in knowledge.
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Greg Barnes
climber
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Mar 21, 2009 - 08:03pm PT
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"FUK Rockclimbing.com"
the funny thing is that I'd honestly forgotten that rc.com even exists...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Mar 21, 2009 - 08:06pm PT
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hey there cosmic and all... say, i have only seen that climbing forum when i do searches and it comes up, being that this is my home... so i cant offer much help for you to feel better soon...
but i will say---as in everything in life, also, personalities come into play, as to how one feels about others... or as to others that are different...
thankfulness can be now be found though, that you have all these climbing buddies, "brothers", and such, here that are reaching out in comfort to you, at this hard time...
*personalities, too, when they share, as they may be doing at the other climbing site, well---they dont look at how any family may be affected (they are, most at least, only directing their opinions at the said-person) (this can, in turn, then hurt family and friends, it is well known---but they are not stating their facts perposely to do this)... they are "getting out there huff"... and perhaps all have done such, at one time or other in life...
you all are fine folks here, and seeing such personal opinion, or personal experiences, that may different than your experience, stated over there, are surely very hard, emotionaly at this time...
say, perhaps you can take a short time this eveing, with your buddies, and have a good talk.. or a good cry, and some hugs, for just having known your fine friend woody...
i am really feeling very sad for your hurt, right now...
say, it is good that russ and locker and the others here, have stepped in to help give you some "anchor'....
god bless... sure hope i was not out of line, to share all this...
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Rankin
climber
Bishop, CA
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Mar 21, 2009 - 08:24pm PT
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Posting on the internet is not the same as talking sh#t to some group at the crag, bar, whatever. It's there for everyone to see. To post on the public forum like that, 'Moof' might as well have put the message up on a billboard on HWY 5, or on the message board at Camp 4. This guy, Moof, is an ogre. What a despicable f*#k!
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