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C-DUB
Trad climber
Laguna Beach Ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 25, 2006 - 01:22am PT
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Check out this video about 9-11. You can watch it for free just do a google search for "loose change 911". I thought it was good and if you hate it, well it's free. Climbers love stuff thats free. tell me what you all think about it.
have a good one, C-DUB
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akcIimber
climber
Eagle River, AK
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Jan 25, 2006 - 01:31am PT
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Let me guess, more anti-Bush propaganda?
Anyway, climbers are lazy too and unless you post a link nobody is going to look at it.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Jan 25, 2006 - 07:42am PT
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Yeah, I think Rajmit already ran this troll a couple of times. I think this troll is now in syndication (neo-con for reruns). Should be popular. Seems like people never tire of the same old...
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WoodyS
Trad climber
Riverside
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Jan 25, 2006 - 11:00am PT
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Yep, sure enough; I buy it; I'm convinced; oh, here comes the nurse with my meds.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 25, 2006 - 01:00pm PT
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No doubt, this administration has no regard for human life when it comes to fulfilling their greed. However, their track record proves they're not competent enough to pull something like this off.
Like the German Nazis, they're just baboons in fancy suits.
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0uch!
climber
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Jan 25, 2006 - 01:18pm PT
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Everything in that video is 100% true!
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Levy
Big Wall climber
So Calif
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Jan 26, 2006 - 02:31am PT
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I just got through watching the Loose Change video & I've told many friends about it. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
This should be compulsory viewing for everybody with an IQ above room temp.
Levy
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Jan 26, 2006 - 03:04am PT
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It raises some good questions but has some gaping holes in it too. He answers a lot of his own questions about the Pentagon like why the windows weren't broken or the damage wasn't as extensive as the Twin Towers.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Jan 26, 2006 - 06:32am PT
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Believable to everybody with IQ below body temperature.
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ThomasKeefer
Trad climber
Monterey, CA
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Jan 26, 2006 - 11:47am PT
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Does anyone actually beleive that it was a huge plane that hit the pentagon? Just how would the lawn escape unharmed and there be no similarities to the WTC?
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Jan 26, 2006 - 12:13pm PT
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Well for starters it is never explained how far in front of the pentagon the plane allegedly struck. Secondly, the pictures weren't, in my opinion, clear enough to say exactly what damage there was or wasn't. Lastly, its pretty obvious that the damage wouldnt be different beccause the Pentagon was, as th eguy states about 10 minutes after raising the question to being with, that the section of the Pentagon hit was built to withstand a bomb blast. The World Trade Center exterior was largely glass and the interior, while structurally strong, contained enormous numbers of largely cosmetic walls. To quote the video: "...and is it merely coincidence that the Pentagon was hit the only location that was renovated to withstand that very same kind of attack?"
So his hypothesis that a cruise missile hit the Pentagon would have required the following:
1. People not to have seen a large passenger jet crashing into the Pentagon even though he quotes numerous people as seeing one.
2. People would most likely have seen a cruise missile! It would have had to fly over a highway and hit the building.
3. Most importantly, hundreds of people would have to be involved in this conspiracy. We're talking about people at the FBI, in the armed forces and likely within the aerospace industry. Conspiracies of this size do not hold. You can create deceptions, as the Bush Administration has been highly successful at doing (Iraq was responsible for 9/11 for instance) but not conspiracies. No matter how craven and power hungry some of our political leaders get, our government is actually full of honest and well-intentioned people. We can see that by the hoardes of people fleeing the FDA, the CDC, FEMA, the CIA, the EPA and other organizations that the Bushies have politicized and made into hosltile environments for those who are trying to actually help our country run. We can see that in the leaking by high level CIA agents of information about the prisons in esatern Europe and the wiretapping scandal.
I have a really hard time believing that people in the military would agree that it was a good idea to kill their fellow soldiers in the single most important military building that they have.
I AM ready to believe that people did things wrong, were negligent or simply unresponsive and ignored the potential for this kind of thing to happen and that in the massive CYA operation that followed 9/11 large amounts of important evidence was covered up, ignored or hidden so that people wouldn't look like they had somehow been responsible. I am also ready to believe that this patchy kind of CYA leaves many questions unanswered that help creat the air of conspiracy.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Jan 26, 2006 - 10:41pm PT
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Rockjox, did you mean Jimmy Hoffa? Or was that just really lame satire? And why the Pentagon instead of Giants Stadium just an exit away?
I wonder if it wasn't really Janis Joplin and Jimmy Jendrix. I think Elvis convinced both of them to fake OD's and join his band. They were on 93. It landed safely in Nashville.
You know I worked downtown in NYC for half a dozen years. Took the PATH trains in. There never were two towers. There really was only one tower. I was there. Think about it. How could you have two Top of the World Restaurants?
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jan 26, 2006 - 10:45pm PT
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O.K Rokjox,
Who DID do it?
Names please.
The one thing the proponents of the "Oficial Story" have going for them is they NAME NAMES!
I have spoken with an EYE-WITNESS to the plane that hit the Pentagon. Anyone who tells you a plane did not hit the Pentagon is lying to you, and you should not believe anything else this person has to say on this subject, or any other subject.
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ThomasKeefer
Trad climber
Monterey, CA
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Jan 26, 2006 - 11:29pm PT
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Ok... I hate to put myself in the conspiracy idea lot but..
you cant possibly think that a plane the size of a commuter airliner hit the pentagon. You would have to be incredibly ingnorant. The place was "bombproofed" whatever that means but there was a hole.. a big one.. the problem is that the hole could not have been made by a plane that big because the height of the center of the hole is way closer to the ground than the nose of a passenger plane. I am not saying that it is impossible for a plane to do that type of damage but to do that damage without first loosing all of its landing gear and a good portion of its cross section through a slide along the ground in a 'controlled crash' is simply impossible. To crash and slide and not f the grass up is impossible. And then there is taht pesky security tape. Where is the plane in that tape that shows the explosion?
I am not a chemist but I cant comment on titanium melting points and the like but to hit the pentagon and have no voice recorders (black boxes) left in tact seems a bit crazy, does it not?
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ThomasKeefer
Trad climber
Monterey, CA
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Jan 27, 2006 - 12:06am PT
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And besides... the argument that hundreds of people cant keep a secret is bunk! (people still insist that we landed on the moon dont they? there has not been a single person at nasa during that time willing to set the record straight!) ;)
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 27, 2006 - 12:47am PT
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Yes they never went to the moon, the moon (Chandraloka) is 800,000 miles past the sun.
The Vedas state that the moon is 800,000 miles farther from the earth than the sun. Therefore, even if we accept the modern calculation of 93 million miles as the distance from the earth to the sun, how could the "astronauts" have traveled to the moon--a distance of almost 94 million miles--in only 91 hours (the alleged elapsed time of the Apollo 11 moon trip)? This would require an average speed of more than one million miles per hour for the spacecraft, a patently impossible feat by even the space scientists' calculations.
Have fun ....... with this one!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 27, 2006 - 01:34am PT
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I'm very concerned about unanswered questions regarding 9-11.
That said, I have the Loose Change video that a friend sent to me. Many credible researchers in the 9-11 truth movement regard "loose change" as one of the least credible information sources and many regard it's point as disinformation that can be discredited and lead folks from asking the read unconfortable questions
FWIW
karl
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