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paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Mar 9, 2010 - 09:07am PT
didn't this god dude create the trap that ended up requiring his son's death in the first place ? wouldn't a smarter god have forseen this contingency when he put the tree of knowledge in the garden ?

this god you speak of - he seems less than omnipotent to me...

and why is he banging someone else's wife ? isn't that against a commandment ?
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Mar 9, 2010 - 09:33am PT


Josh Nash

Social climber
riverbank ca
Mar 9, 2010 - 11:54am PT
wow!
Jingy

Social climber
Nowhere
Mar 9, 2010 - 03:19pm PT
peganmonkeyboy - "i'm gonna start posting my trip reports to religious forums..."


Good call....

Let's see how inclusive their forum is of the OT thread!!!!


BWAHAHAHHA!!!

Too funny
Jingy

Social climber
Nowhere
Mar 9, 2010 - 03:24pm PT
TripL7 - You can say that my question of why "we" (I) show respect as an auto-reaction to someone in the cloth is not to say that I have no respect for them.. moreover, I too attempt to treat eveyone the same, until I am shown that they deserve another form of treatment.


yeah.. uhm.. if only all that heaven and earth stuff meant anything to me... it doesn't really when you consider there is no god...

once the idea is removed from the conversation, things may look a little different: All people are equal, across the board.. even my enemy is my equal when the god issue/statement is removed.
Jingy

Social climber
Nowhere
Mar 9, 2010 - 03:49pm PT
PMB - "and why is he banging someone else's wife ? isn't that against a commandment ?"


Well.. I.. uhm... think.. that's what they tell me...


BWAHAHAHAHA

Gobee

Trad climber
Upward Bound Col. 1:19-20 Grace By Faith
Mar 10, 2010 - 12:23am PT
Mark 6:11, And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to you, when you leave, shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against them.”
TripL7

Trad climber
san diego
Mar 10, 2010 - 01:40am PT
paganmonkeychild!

You have all these rhetorical questions, obviously you only desire to insult and blaspheming and curse, to gain some credibility/favor amongst a few...how vain! And how deep your hate of God run's. So I will refrain from giving any more answers.

But i will warn you that there are levels of hell, or degrees of punishment. And i am loathe to say that the majority of those in N. America are going to suffer a much heavier punishment than Sodom and Gomorrah. For S&G had little knowledge of a God/Savior other than their conscious, and their knowledge of right and wrong/good and evil that God gave them, as He does all people. We have full knowledge and warning, numerous churches and bibles and forums etc. At least ten+ times what i had as a youth(60's), actually much, much more.

Remember this verse:

"Whoever does not recieve you, nor heeds your words, as you go out of that house or city, shake the dust off your feet. Truly I say to you it will be more tolerant for Sodom and Gommorah in the day of judgment than for that city." Matthew 10:14-15.
illusiondweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 10, 2010 - 02:24am PT
"Then said Jesus to them Jew's who believed on Him, If ye continue in my word, then ye are my disciples indeed. And ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you free!" John 8:31-32

Jesus said himself,

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man cometh unto the father but by Me (capitalized for emphasis)." John 14:6

It's that simple people, Jesus is Truth thus Jesus will make you free! Don't try to figure it out, just accept it and believe and it'll change your life. To those that don't know Christ, you, including myself, were, and continue to be lied to by the world's system.

And remember Christians, Jesus said..."If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you." John 15:18

and...

"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." Mat 5:11

Let those that don't know Christ express themselves. Don't be offended by them but instead give glory to God for what they don't know for He promises to bless you when they do. It was this very hate that put Jesus on the cross and this very hate that shed His blood, and this very hate that saved us from eternal hell! Glory to God for their hate! Do you see?! Pray for them that they too will need God's grace (getting what we don't deserve) someday!

TripL7, seeing your post just put a smile on my face! Glory to God that there are more Christian climbers than I ever thought! See you at Woodson!

d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Mar 10, 2010 - 01:29pm PT
just noticed a typo.




it's all about the
love people.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Mar 13, 2010 - 02:48am PT
Fellow SuperTopians, my Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,


I'm going to take a break from ST. As of late it has been pretty brutal here. I'm not going forever, but I'm going to step back now and take some time.

I enjoy discussing climbing and related adventure. I enjoy contraversial topics. I enjoy talking about GOD, Jesus our Saviour, and reading all the Bible quotes, and discussing the word of GOD and Theology. I really enjoy the science discussions. All of these topics and more are ever present on my mind. There are some really good people here on ST with really good hearts.

However, there are others who are pretty brutal and have no clue about the "The Golden Rule" nor how to agree to disagree without resorting to serious ad hominem attacks and unbelievable immaturity and constant name calling and hurtful comments. It really gets old and tiresome. I have tried never to respond in kind. It's good to debate, but even on a forum we should all be able to abide by common courtesy, decency, and respect.

I have changed coming back to Christ. When I first joined ST I was farther away from GOD than the Prodigal Son. I came back to GOD "and it has made the difference every night and every day." I'm glad he took me back. And I do not want to leave GOD ever again. Fellow Christians here on ST have certainly had an impact on me posting the word of GOD, and discussing all manor of related topics. Thank you.


Illusiondweller (Gary),

I'm going to bow out from the Woodson Shin Dig also. It should be a wonderful event for those who attend. I was looking forward to it. But I don't really want to run into hate and any abuse from anyone. Not feeling the love right now. You have planned a great event, great looking t-shirt, and the party should be fun too. Have a great time everyone.

My beloved Woodson will always be there for me. I wouldn't mind sharing that experience with those here on ST who love Christ sometime. That would be really cool. I enjoy Woodson with my friends or going it alone sometimes too. It is good to get out alone sometimes in the "Wilderness" and think about things . . .


In Christ's love,


Glenn

(aka Klimmer)



Larry Norman - 1990 - Diamonds, One way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgEIY0ARrpE&feature=related










Rev.22 (KJV)
[1] And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
[2] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
[3] And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
[4] And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
[5] And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
[6] And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
[7] Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
[8] And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
[9] Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
[10] And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
[11] He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[12] And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
[13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
[16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
[17] And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
[18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
[20] He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Walla Walla, WA
Mar 13, 2010 - 04:24am PT
PMB: Keep it coming, dude. I'm collecting all your priceless thoughts together into an anthology I will use for an upcoming Intro to Philosophy class I teach.

Your posts are such rich examples of straw-man fallacies, ad hominem fallacies, guilt by association fallacies, drive-by attacks, and intentional ignorance! I can teach the fallacies section using your examples alone.

Your abject lack of intellectual honesty shines like a beacon attracting other moths to its mind-searing flame. Keep the fire burning!

I want more material. More, more, more!
Tobia

Social climber
GA
Mar 13, 2010 - 11:24am PT
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5-6
paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Mar 13, 2010 - 01:00pm PT
abject lack of intellectual honesty ? now that's something you don't hear every day...

our place in the universe is scary. it's ok to be scared...

do aliens go to hell ? aliens on other planets - would they go to heaven and hell too ?

all i want is rational acceptance of the true nature of our place in the universe. no ghost stories, no threats or rewards in the afterlife - Here and Now, people. Here and now...

if you are going to call me a liar let's see you refute my points -

1) christianity is based on a cannibalistic ritual
2) it's also passive aggressive - the whole love your enemies so they will suffer more in hell thing is kinda PA, don't ya think ? i'm gonna love you now so god will burn you for eternity ?
3) the whole tree of knowledge is a thinly veiled instruction to not question the tales you are told by the people that can save you...
4) original sin is the way you are trapped into a religion from birth and through no fault of your own - seems god's just a little petty there too, eh ?

you wanna post this sh#t on a climbing site - that's fine. bring your f*#king A game, as#@&%es, or i will sit here and rip you a new one all day long. All I want is the truth - Not Lies designed to deceive the meek and foolish...

Why do you need a god to tell you how to be nice to each other ? Answer that one, bitches...

hugs all around...
paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Mar 13, 2010 - 01:06pm PT
is ghandi in hell ? pretty sure he wasn't baptized...

elvis ? is elvis in hell ? what about jimmi hendrix ? plato ? Homer ?
Tobia

Social climber
GA
Mar 13, 2010 - 01:33pm PT
all i want is rational acceptance of the true nature of our place in the universe

PMB: Do you have any idea what that might be? I have been thinking about that question this morning, about all I can think of is that we are at the top of the food chain (at least in this part of our universe).

What is it with all the animosity and anger? It doesn't lend to your credibility. Save it for something that is a real threat to you.

Try living and let live; or at least consider this: if you are going to speak of Ghandi, Elvis or Hendrix you might consider the fact that they weren't quite as angry at the world as you are and Elvis is a bad example, he was a Christian.


paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Mar 13, 2010 - 01:58pm PT
i'm angry because this is just one of the many reasons the world is the way it is and millions suffered and suffer for it when IT DOESN"T HAVE TO BE LIKE THIS.

that's what i don't get - how any sane person can see what is fully happening everywhere every single day, what has happened throughout history, and not get just a little angry...we SUCK in some serious ways as a race...boy howdy we just plain talk a good game but we are all hat no cattle...

maybe if more people got pissed we'd stop letting kids die every few minutes in f*#king 2010 (oo - there goes another...) because we can't make any money saving them...

the world is f*#ked, and we should be pissed. anger is a motivator.

and i've decided i will no longer suffer fools and evildoers...the time to speak up and call them out has long since passed...

plus - dude...this is a climbing website. go start a political thread, will ya ?
nita

Social climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
Mar 13, 2010 - 02:34pm PT
Pagan, Ouch once posted this line when people were dissing christians.

" Everyone has their own way of trying to cope & hold their sanity. Every moment is different for every person & situation."

That line is spot on when i think about my parents turning toward Christianity to cope with their son dying in VietNam . At that time there was no avenues to help families with their grief and turning to God helped them survive.

I don't live my life like my parents, but i do believe in trying to be respectful.. I don't always succeed..

ps..Love you Pagan....;-)

pss.. dknow put up my favorite bible quote....tatts the truth..


Tobia

Social climber
GA
Mar 13, 2010 - 03:10pm PT
I don't quite follow the rationale for the anger... especially in light of saving kids or people's beliefs. But that's o.k... I don't think you understand what I am trying to say. Anger doesn't solve much and trust me it will make you old way before your time... I ain't the enemy dude!

As far the posting goes, you have a lot more posts to this thread than I do and not many of your recent posts have anything to do with climbing (except on people's back).

I didn't start the thread; if you want it to go away quit posting on it.

paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Mar 13, 2010 - 07:18pm PT
nita you realize you're asking me to respect a religion that will see me and most of the people i respect the most burning in hell for all eternity because we don't want to be sheep, and think the rest of the flock is being fleeced...

no one's refuted any of my points yet I notice...
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