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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Dec 17, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
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Comedy,thanks.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 17, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
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CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — November was a hot month for planet Earth.
Government scientists reported Tuesday that last month set a heat record. They say it was the warmest November on record, across Earth, since record-keeping began in 1880.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says average global temperature, for water and land surfaces combined, was 56.6 degrees (13.7 Celsius). That's 1.4 degrees (0.78 degrees Celsius) above the 20th century average.
It was the 37th consecutive November with above-average temperatures. The last below-average November was in 1976.
It was also the 345th straight month with above-average temperatures. That's almost 29 years.
Among the November hot spots: much of Eurasia, Central America and the Indian Ocean. In Russia, it was the warmest November on record. But parts of North America were cooler than average.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/17/2013-warmest-november_n_4461406.html
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Dec 17, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
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It was -4 here this morning,record breaker,I could flip/flop.
But I would deny that.
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Dec 17, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
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Wait For It
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 17, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
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Government scientists reported Tuesday that last month set a heat record. They say it was the warmest November on record, across Earth, since record-keeping began in 1880.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 17, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
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CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — November was a hot month for planet Earth.
Government scientists reported Tuesday that last month set a heat record. They say it was the warmest November on record, across Earth, since record-keeping began in 1880.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Dec 17, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
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Alarmist^^^^^.HA.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 17, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
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After most of a day tromping about the rimrock in pursuit of Chukar dinner, that was delicious i might add, i come back to see that Mchale is the only one attempting to addtress the collapse of the thermosphere question. Scientists just dont know, plain and simple. They abscibe 30% causation to a lull in solar activity ( less ionizing of atmospheric components) at the deep minimum of the schwabe cycle and 10% to absorbtion and reradiation of solar radiation by co2, which radiates towards space without much kinetic energy from contact with the very thin atmosphere at this altitude. So what effect, that scientists dont know, caused the remaining 60% of this event? Is it just coincidence that this much larger than ever previously imagined thermosphere collapse happened at the depth of the lowest solar minimum of modern times? What would happen to climate if we have a prolonged period, decades long, of solar activity as low as this event? Based on the work of Livingston and Penn, as well as many others, scientists are expecting just such an event in the coming decades,depth of inactivity unknown. Mchale is right, the layers of the atmosphere expand and contract with heat. Did this event release a huge amount of energy from the climate system? If climate scientists know all, and CAGW theory is settled science, surely they understand the causations of many unexplained and little discussed anomalies like the one above, dont they?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 17, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
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Ricky- Ask Ed, he knows all and even said he could be adept at homebuilding several thousand posts ago. Bruce (jackass) Freud can then psychoanylse his answer. As for me i wouldn't put cement siding on one of my buildings-too many problems with it wicking moisture. Sincerely Dr. Al Siding
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Dec 17, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
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If climate scientists know all, and CAGW theory is settled science, surely they understand the causations of many unexplained and little discussed anomalies like the one above, dont they?
Rick, there is quite a bit of discussion on the net IF YOU WANT TO FIND IT. (Regarding atmosphere collapse)
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 18, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
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Ed asks; "Why do you think you know anything about science"?
Come on professor don't sell yourself short on teaching abilities. I've been observing your presentations and antics in defense of this crock of shet CAGW theory and modeling for going on two years now. True, i have a distaste for this sidetrack of science and everything i've heard from you i've questioned and probed with my meager mentality with the idea exposing this science as the crock it is. But you are a good teacher and i appreciate what ammo you have provided. If i was 50 years younger i would place a nice shiny apple on your desk, though it would probably have a firecracker embedded and lit.
Getting back to your latest two presentations. The first was the usual fare, full of ranges of uncertainty, guesstimates, admissions of unkowns and the stated need for more study. The second was much better, indicating that solar EUV reduction throughout cycle 24 and particularly the quiet sun period of 2008-9 was the main causation, followed by reduced magnetism, and last and least by the increased amount of CO2 ( which acts as a coolant in the upper atmospheric layers) intercepting and deflecting back to space incoming solar radiation, presumably in a narrow band of the long wave spectrum. This brings me to some questions- First, since the increased CO2 in the thermosphere came from earth surface activities is it not a negative feedback of global warming? Second,since both the density and temperature of the thermosphere decreased wouldn't there be a tendency for more excited molecules, including CO2, to transit from lower atmospheric layers? Third, since this solar minimum of 2008-9 was only two years in duration compared to previos named minimums like the Dalton or Maunder, which persisted in a quiet sun state for decades, wouldn't a long duration event like many solar scientists are expecting amplify negative feedbacks identified above?
Norton- The story of the hottest November on record came from an agency of the "government". The same government that spys on us, rolls out "improved healthcare", was asleep at the wheel just prior to 9-11, and regularly does other good works that inspire trust from the citizenry. Look for other interpretations of the data, i'm sure they will beg to differ.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 19, 2013 - 11:46am PT
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Norton- The story of the hottest November on record came from an agency of the "government". The same government that spys on us, rolls out "improved healthcare", was asleep at the wheel just prior to 9-11, and regularly does other good works that inspire trust from the citizenry. Look for other interpretations of the data, i'm sure they will beg to differ.
oh my goodness, Rick!
why, one would think you are in your hoodie now in Wasilla fully armed..
Two can play any game, Rick
from that same government that is delivering social security and medicare to tens of millions
from that same government that right now is protecting your ass with the best military in history
from that same government that created the very internet that you are posting with
were you dropped on your head as an infant or when you voted for SARAH to be one heartbeat away from being Commander in Chief?
Rick, you have been flat out OWNED on this forum, deal with it and grow up
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 19, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
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oh now chief
here I thought me and you were tight
can we talk?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 19, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
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sorry chief
but I can't dislike a guy who loves bikes as much as I do
now get back in bed with Ricky and show some love
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Dec 19, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
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Dana Nuticelli of Skeptical Science attended last week's AGU meetings too, and we seem to have seen some of the same sessions. Unlike me, he came back with a good selection of graphics, including this nice one from Richard Alley's talk at the "abrupt change" session. Alley is a world-class glaciologist; those thousands of Internet graphs showing temperatures reconstructed from the Greenland ice sheet just about all trace back to Alley's work (his actual data are here), although many of those Internet graphs have been faked-up or mislabeled by hacks.
Anyway, the graphic above from Alley's AGU talk illustrates the way that congressional hearings have framed the "debate" (green double arrow at lower left): either problems will be as bad as the IPCC best estimate, or they will be better. Alley's point at this "abrupt-change" session had to do with that long right-hand tail of faster and larger problems that we know physically could happen, partly because in paleo times some of them did.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Dec 19, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
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this thread has triggered some long blocked memories...yep...8th grade really sucked...
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Dec 19, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
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What does that map tell you Chief?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Dec 19, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
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Hum, I wonder if temps contributed to the Ausi bush fires in October?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Dec 19, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
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LOL, enjoy it while it lasts Chief.
Crowing about the 6th lowest november arctic ice extent? LOL!
So are you still insisting the Ausi bush fires happened in November?
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