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zBrown
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Sep 25, 2018 - 12:26pm PT
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“Think about it: what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow men. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.”
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John M
climber
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Sep 25, 2018 - 12:28pm PT
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“Think about it: what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow men. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.”
maybe yours, but not mine. I use to think Carlos Castaneda was pretty wise. I have since learned otherwise.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 25, 2018 - 12:51pm PT
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Well, do you enjoy it?
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John M
climber
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Sep 25, 2018 - 01:09pm PT
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no.. I do not. I would be quite happy if everyone could get along. I would much rather live in a world where everyone treated each other fairly and decently. But we don't have that and I am a realist, so I do the best that I can to deal with what is. Some days I do a decent job. Other days I feel overwhelmed by the amount of just plain nonsense that goes on.
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I don't believe that ignoring nonsense makes it go away. Nor do I believe that adding to the nonsense helps. A person who thinks that it makes things better if they could just hurt the person who insulted them is just adding to the nonsense. Revenge doesn't right the ship, but justice can. The problem is how to achieve justice and who determines what justice is.
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John M
climber
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Sep 25, 2018 - 01:31pm PT
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then you are just adding to the nonsense. We won't get a civil president that way. If you are going to use spiritual teachings, "reap what you sow" then you need to recognize that it also applies to you. hence, if you abandon civility, then no civility can exist for you because you also reap what you sow. And so you continue the cycle.
now its time to head to the river. 101 degrees here.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Sep 25, 2018 - 01:59pm PT
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To my eye, it would seem logical that the evidentiary rules should at least be the same. Kavanaugh may not go to jail for this, but his entire career could be destroyed as a result of what's going on in the confirmation process.
The evidentary rules for this position should be about as high as for any regular job applicant, perhaps even lower considering the difficulty of firing him. Can you imagine any major corporation that would hire this person, with at least two people prepared to swear under oath that he committed serious crimes?
I find it hard to be terribly troubled by the idea that these might be politically motivated lies. If Kavanaugh hadn't hitched his wagon to the malicious, lying sack of horse poop in the White House, this wouldn't have happened. How many people has Trump accused of committing serious crimes, without presenting a shred of corroborating evidence?
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Sep 25, 2018 - 02:53pm PT
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In that last video link; Donald Trump says modestly -- In less than two years, my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country. It's utterly flabbergasting to me that everybody doesn't see this narcissistic boob for what he is. Yeah, he's right up there with Lincoln! They laughed at him because his narcissism IS kind of funny. It's funny when people don't understand how narcissistic and stupid they are. Been mined for centuries in comedy.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Sep 25, 2018 - 03:52pm PT
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The real howler to me is that there could be any sort of realistic investigation of an apparently small high school gathering in the early 80s, at an unknown location and date, and where apparently nothing of any interest happened other than the alleged incident, and which Ford admits she said nothing about for many years.
How could anyone else even know if they were at the gathering that Ford has in mind?
Again, according Ford there was an eyewitness present. If Judge confirmed her claims that would be it for Brett being on the SCOTUS (this is a political proceeding not a trial). But Judge doesn't want to be under oath and the republicans don't want him there. What does that indicate?
Yeah Ford admits she said nothing for many years, like 3/4 of all sexual assault victims. Then she foresaw the future I guess and brought it up years ago in therapy with her husband because she thought I'll thrown a big wrench in my relationship with my spouse in case Brett is ever considered for the SCOTUS. Right.
Looking in my crystal ball I imagine something happened. Why would she bring it up in therapy years ago. Why would she name an eyewitness who would be on Brett's side? Why won't Judge testify and clear his friend's name?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 25, 2018 - 05:04pm PT
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"This should not be an issue of Libtards/Conservitards/Demotards/Reblitards, this is US as a country."
And it should be remembered that about 1/3 of this country still strongly supports Trump, and at least 2/3 of Republicans still stand behind him (though likely a great percentage of those Republicans probably support a lot of Trump's policies, rather than his role as leader).
Trump deserves to be a target for criticism, but directing that hostility towards people who actually like the guy is only widening the gap in our society.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Sep 25, 2018 - 05:31pm PT
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while he was in college, Kavanaugh was a member of the DKE fraternity, which was infamous for its disrespect of women and its sanctions from campus administrators over its members' chant of "No means yes, yes means anal."
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Sep 25, 2018 - 05:34pm PT
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New York Times conservative columnist Bret Stephens on TED CRUZ in a dialogue with fellow op-ed writer Gail Collins.
*Because he’s like a serpent covered in Vaseline. Because he treats the American people like two-bit suckers in 10-gallon hats. Because he sucks up to the guy who insulted his wife — by retweet, no less. Because of his phony piety and even phonier principles. Because I see him as the spiritual love child of the 1980s televangelist Jimmy Swaggart and Jack Nicholson’s character in “The Shining.” Because his ethics are purely situational. Because he makes Donald Trump look like a human being by comparison. Because “New York values.” Because his fellow politicians detest him, and that’s just among Republicans. Because he never got over being the smartest kid in eighth grade. Because he’s conniving enough to try to put one over you, but not perceptive enough to realize that you see right through him. Because he’s the type of man who would sell his family into slavery if that’s what it took to get elected. And that he would use said slavery as a sob story to get himself re-elected.
Otherwise, you might say I’m his No. 1 fan.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Sep 25, 2018 - 05:38pm PT
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Watch the Entire United Nations Burst into Laughter as Trump Claims His Administration Is Historically Successful
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Sep 25, 2018 - 05:42pm PT
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B,Mark
Social climber
NorthernNY
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Sep 25, 2018 - 06:28pm PT
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OK, Trump is about to take the US into an authoritarian dictatorship. It's a "Constitutional Crisis" and "something has to be done"...right?? Is that the consensus amongst the concerned liberals here?
So what's a concerned person to do??
Is logging onto stoopid topo, and engaging in circular arguments with morons like Jody the answer?!
Is that the best use of your time? Keyboard arguments with Trump supporters?
Some of you 'Cali liberals must be trust funders, or at least "comfortably well off"...
Get your asses over to Nevada if you really care, and work on getting people to the polls to vote for Rosen. Hell, do some climbing in red rocks while you're there.
The only thing that is gonna change the current trajectory is flipping the House and hopefully the Senate.
If you aren't doing anything, whatever you can, to help this happen, you are doing nothing.
Wasting your time here is worthless. Keep track of your hours spent on this thread...
Do Something Productive
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Sep 25, 2018 - 06:45pm PT
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I know others here have mentioned it, but it bears repeating.
Donald Trump bragged about himself to the United Nations. The UN laughed.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/25/politics/donald-trump-un-speech-laugh/index.html
TRUMP! Our king of bullshist got laughed at by the world today, during a speech where he repeated lies he made at recent political rallies.
Which brings us to Tuesday morning -- and Trump's speech to the United Nations General Assembly in New York.
"In less than two years, my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country," Trump said, as he does.
"So true," said Trump, clearly caught by surprise by the laughter. "I didn't expect that reaction, but that's OK," he added to more laughter and some applause.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Sep 25, 2018 - 08:11pm PT
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Cosby has been put on the short list in case kavanaugh doesn't have enough votes for the confirmation...
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Sep 25, 2018 - 08:21pm PT
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America is more dedicated to rape culture than it is to racism
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 25, 2018 - 08:23pm PT
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The Fet:
Yeah Ford admits she said nothing for many years, like 3/4 of all sexual assault victims. Then she foresaw the future I guess and brought it up years ago in therapy with her husband because she thought I'll thrown a big wrench in my relationship with my spouse in case Brett is ever considered for the SCOTUS. Right.
Looking in my crystal ball I imagine something happened. Why would she bring it up in therapy years ago. Why would she name an eyewitness who would be on Brett's side? Why won't Judge testify and clear his friend's name?
My point was that an investigation would be futile because Ford didn't tell anyone either at the party or after the party or for many years later. Not that Ford isn't telling the truth (which I have no idea).
Since there's no reason to have a sham investigation, we may just as well have a vote and get this over with.
I'm OK with with however the Senate votes--there's no easy answer on how to handle accusations about something that happened a generation ago without corroboration, but do have at least some "ring of truth." I think it's somewhat equally probable that Ford is telling something very close to the truth, Ford is completely wrong (not necessarily lying) and Kav's innocent, or that something happened that was improper, but not to the extent Ford says--who knows.
As for why Judge won't testify, he's already said he has no recollection. Since it's absolutely impossible to verify that, it doesn't matter whether he's under oath, unless you somehow think that people don't lie under oath and would "fess up." If you think that, I have to assume you have very little experience with our legal system. I may guess he doesn't want to testify because he did engage in a lot of shady behavior as young guy (and maybe later), and just doesn't feel like testifying about that when there's nothing in it for him. Bottom line: he's given his story, and testifying wouldn't change that.
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