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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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It's already started... I just checked Sportsmans guide and all the 62 and 55g .223 is out of stock..
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Well - it's sort of comforting to have a 12 ga. with OO buckshot backed up with a full mag of 3"slugs when you are walking up a noisy stream in grizzly country with the wind in your face, but otherwise you're a hell of a lot safer with bear spray. Just don't carry the spray if you've lost the safety. No wonder the bears don't like it.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Ammo out of stock....I love it!!! The white boys with chimp brains (sorry chimps) are panicking.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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I am with you on that one Donnini.. Clinging to god and guns. They are so effin stoopid that they will all cast a vote for mitt the twit who has in addition to strapping his dog to the roof signed gun control laws as gov of Mass.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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tradmanclimbs
Oct 2, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
It's already started... I just checked Sportsmans guide and all the 62 and 55g .223 is out of stock..
Well, I have to admit that although I boycott Walmart generally I've gone there, recently, to going to Walmart for ammo, they currently have Federal 5.56 packed 420 rounds in an ammo can (you get the can as well) for $149.
Same deal with CCI .22lr for $98 for 1600 rounds.
.......assuming Ron doesn't get there before you *cough* ...cough***mmmm, Les Baer long slide. Ability to hold off the Wehrmacht: (God forbid it ever be needed) achieved. LOL! Sounds awesome Ron.
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Wow, this threads great. You got a bunch of people who don't personally like guns running around telling others how things should be, intentionally and knowingly shreading thier constitutional rights just because in this case it tends to suit their cause, all the while making prejiduce, ignorant, half wit comments in effect becoming exactly what they say they hate. Priceless, yet so common!!!
The shortages of ammo going around have less to do with paranoid rednecks buying it up than you'd think. Most of the problem stems from the U.S. gov selling large quantities and giving it away to third world contries who's present cause benefit the U.S. at the moment.
The remaining quarter has to do with the recent surge in popularity of recreational shooting, not paranoid hording. I'd hardly call these people ignorant, paranoid rednecks. They're more likely your neighbors out having a good time without you.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Well,... I feel more secure already!
I can't imagine how boring it would be to load that many rounds, and I'm toying with going class III.
But it is not just a guarantee that I'll be able to keep shooting a few more years. Stored properly ammo has a loooooong shelf life, and should there be (another) stock market collapse at least one of my investments would appreciate considerably.
I kind of doubt that things will get so bad that .22LR will become a basic unit of currency, but I still have stocks in six figures (and, sorry couch, I never paid close to $98 for 1600 rds of .22
Is that a typo?)
BTW, couch
the long slide Les Baer is amazing. The boys at Dixie Gun & Fish are stoked. Maybe I'll learn how to post video and you can see my night time double taps.
edit; Saqlamander? lol
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Saqlamander get you head out of yer butt. the ammo shortage of 2009 was 90% panic driven. The current spike in prices and availability is 100% panic driven. heck i buy into it just as much as the next dumb assed redneck.. I have been building my ammo reservs for the last 8 months anticipating this spike.
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Well I know your heads not up your a*# what with that big ol number you just pulled out of it. No way that big ol thing would fit in there too.
90%- 100%, really???
Down at my gun club, I shoot with a guy who owns a fairly large business selling bulk ammo at gun shows, as well as distributing to several gun and sporting good stores. I also know pretty well the rep for Lake City ammo, who holds the current contract with the US military for 5.56.
In talking with them, the way I understand it is that the military is actively bringing their reserves back up to a reasonable level having used vast stockpiles over the past few years and also in anticipation for preceivable conflicts the U.S. may be engaged in over the next 24 months.
Every few years a new contract for manufacturing ammo gets put out for bids. The next one is coming up in about a year and even though its a year away, whenever a military contract that large gets put out, there is significant uncertainties of change in operations with whom ever wins that bid. Likewise, with any large change in operations there are strong possibilities for a significant delay in supply. So what the Military is starting to do is to stockpile way more ammo than they might need in anticipation of this supply change until the new contract is settled and the new supplier is up and running in full operation. Some of this stockpiled ammo may actually be available to the commercial market once all this is settled.
Lake City is also a major supplier of aftermarket reloaders and sellers too. So with the Military buying up most of their supply, sellers who buy Lake City brass or re-package their ammo under another name are finding it almost impossible to keep up with the commercial market.
Couple all that with the rapidly expanding commercial market and recreational shooters brought about by the popularity of TV shows like Top Shot, Sons of Guns, American Guns, Family Guns etc... and the surging popularity of the AR-15 style rifles which people so much like to pimp out and customize. You get shortages in ammo. Thats why it's only a shortage in select calibers of ammo. Yes some of that is contributed to the "election effect" and paranoid peeps who think the pseudo dictator in Washington is going to try and ban ammo, or at least Military ammo to the civilian market. Also there is the scarcity effect where people see that a store is out of their particular caliber and think "oh shit! they're out, I gotta get some before it's too late". But the vast majority of ammo (at least nowhere near 90%) is not being bought up by paranoid rednecks burying it in their backyards.
Most of the stuff people are buying gets shot up pretty quick. The average shooter at the range brings about 100 rds per gun a few times a month. Not long before you use up 1000 rds and need more eh? Some people (like me) go through WAY more than that. I talk with dozens of people buying ammo in bulk (mostly .223) at the shows and always joke "ya stocking up for the zombies?" and the answers almost always, it's easier and cheaper to buy in bulk for the next 6 to 12 months than hit the store every time you wanna go to the range. Couldn't agree more.
So no, that 90% you pulled from your ass is probably closer to about 15/20% tops. Which is not really much above what's always been "normal".
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 14, 2012 - 10:43am PT
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In 2009 It was way more than just military ammo. Any handgun round that could be considered defensive was not available and most of the hunting ammo was gone as well. Winchester was running 3 shifts and not able to keep up with demand for .45acp, 9mm, .40 .38sp .357 mag etc. I talked to the guy at wall mart and he told me that when an ammo delivery came in the shelfs were empty again in 3 hrs with single individuals buying large quantitys. You could not even find russian ammo in those calibers and certainly no 7.62X39 available. It was the classic panic driven shortage. a guy like myself who normaly has 200 to 300 rnds of .45 and 5.56 starts buying more than I need and hanging on to it simply because that is what everyone else is doing. get yousr before there is none creates a situation where there is none.. Not saying that Military consumption has no bearing but I am saying that the market was largely swayed by fear..
The real funny thing w/ this election is that the gun nut's only option is to either throw their vote away on a write in or vote for gun control. Romny has a proven record for stupid gun regulation and Obama is what he is.
Speaking of lake City. I recently aquired some winchester 5.56 OTM It seems to shoot way dirty compared to lake City? i seem to remember useing winchester powder when I shot IPSC and it was dirty as heck.. My imagination or is there something to it?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 14, 2012 - 11:11am PT
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I don't think it would be a problem in a Gallil.
Especially if I clean one of them this century.
200-300 rds?
Damn! You must be good!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 14, 2012 - 11:30am PT
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Ron. I would have 50k of everything if I had the money but really have to spend most of my hard earned dough on Bolts, drill bits, climbing shoes, crampons, ice boots, picks for the Quarks etc, etc.......
I did shoot 1,000 rnds a week of .45 for about 5 years in annother life....
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 14, 2012 - 12:22pm PT
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Well, when it comes to climbing gear I often get free or below-wholesale stuff, so it frees me up for more ordnance, but I think it'll take more than eight or nine months to shoot up that stack (even with 120 clips and a thumb saving loader).
But one of my Cali buds already drove off with 2K rds at cost!
On the other hand the new LB Custom seems to be breaking in faster than the Thunder Ranch.
So, how much are 230 gr bullets going for?
I have tons of used-once brass.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 14, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
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Has anyone compared gun/ammo sales against POTUS polls? I betcha there's a pattern.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 14, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
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It was the classic panic driven shortage
More like "paranoid fantasy driven shortage".
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 14, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
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Yeah, Canadians don't need handguns.
(They kill people with haul bags!)
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perswig
climber
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Oct 14, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
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^^
Ouch! That stings.
Dale
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 14, 2012 - 06:39pm PT
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ZZingg.. I have no Idea what reloading costs these days? late eightys early nintys it cost me about $80.00 per thousand for powder, primers and 200g pre lubed cast semiwadcutters.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 14, 2012 - 06:42pm PT
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If you can find them 230s are like $23/ 100.
Makes reloading hardly worth the effort.
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