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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Jun 14, 2012 - 11:17pm PT
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Carrots, you're in now. The important few words in your paragraph are the ones referring to prevent a gondola from going "up the Chief".
I'm pretty sure they paid 800-900,000 and sold it for more than double that figure, give or take.
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YesToCarrots
climber
Squamish, BC
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Jun 14, 2012 - 11:22pm PT
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Hamish,
If that is so, those are pretty good profits for a "non-profit" organization.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Jun 14, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
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Sure, but in the grand scheme of things they will have spent that money on more land, so no profit, so to speak. Just more land and less cash on the balance sheet.
Anders can explain this stuff much better as he moves in these circles for a living.
I'm not sure you read Anders's initial post as to who bought and sold the gravel pit at which point in time. The way I read it, Parks never owned the pit, and didn't have the funds to buy it. Anders might know who originally sold the land to TLC.
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YesToCarrots
climber
Squamish, BC
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Jun 15, 2012 - 12:20am PT
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Hamish,
You're right, the numbers and sequence of events are in the original post. And it was not Parks BC who initially sold the land, it was the Behrner family. My bad :-) But it's still the government's fault that Parks BC were too poor to buy the land.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jun 15, 2012 - 12:27am PT
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Diletante or Dilettante?
Dillettante:
1. An admirer or lover of the arts.
2. A person having a superficial interest in an art or a branch of knowledge: a dabbler
Pretty sure most of us could be classified as this :-)
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Jun 15, 2012 - 12:27am PT
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I'm not sure if they didn't have the money or if perhaps they had different priorities. In that same basic timeline,Parks purchased the 13 acre chunk up at Edith lake to roll into the Alice lake parcel. That cost somewhere in the neighborhood of one million. And that's just in our little corner, it's a big province.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jun 15, 2012 - 12:31am PT
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I have copies of the land ownership documents, but they don't show the sale price from 2005, when TLC bought the gravel pit from the Berhners, and from 2012, when it was sold. It would cost a bunch to get copies of the sale documents, the transfers, which show the price.
As for TLC, perhaps it can still help, or is even trying to help. I believe that it's aware of the situation, and perhaps a current initiative. Whether it is helping, or trying to, is another matter. It doesn't visibly seem to be doing so. For the time being, though, there seems no need to antagonize a party that may, just may, still provide help. Notwithstanding gf's unnecessary personalty, I fully intend to hold TLC to account at an appropriate time, and not just for gondola-related matters.
For now, there are more pressing fish to fry.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 15, 2012 - 12:38am PT
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but to demand less than full accountability on both sides lays you open to charges of being a diletante; something I believe Mr Serl raised in the Sun some 31 years ago?
Holy F*#k Batman! One thousand six hundred and forty posts of digging around in the muck, and finally Greg hands us a diamond.
Don called Anders a dilettante thirty-one years ago? And the Vancouver Sun printed it?
How did I miss that?
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Jun 15, 2012 - 12:40am PT
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A fair question might be, when did the municipality and the developers first begin communication about the proposal. This should be public information and may shed some light about municipal decisions regarding the TLC and the gravel pit. Land trusts are not set up to hold such purchases for a long time and were likely over a barrel.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jun 15, 2012 - 12:41am PT
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There's no need to embarrass Don any further - he lurks, and sometimes posts, here. Nor is there any need to indulge in irrelevant insults - this isn't the Ivanhoe. And we all know each other too well.
As for the gravel pit. According to what TLC said in its press release, the District wouldn't rezone the land to protect it from high-impact development such as gondolas, and BC Parks wouldn't (couldn't, probably) afford to buy it. Perhaps there's more to it, e.g. was there always an agenda in local government to support the proposal, and was the refusal to rezone part of that?
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Jun 15, 2012 - 01:13am PT
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I wouldn't believe a word of TLC's press release. It's all bunk.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jun 15, 2012 - 01:16am PT
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Be careful - BK may jump on you for mental speculations.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 15, 2012 - 01:58am PT
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I do believe this is the same letter...
Oh, that.
Yes, I remember it now.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 15, 2012 - 02:04am PT
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there are many who enjoy the park and have no beef with a gondola ...
Sure, but they are all infidels who have forgotten that the Bible says "Thou shalt not create easements in Class A Park land."
They might not have a beef with the gondola now, but when they're burning in that eternal lake of fire, they'll sure wish they'd been against it.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 15, 2012 - 02:16am PT
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Your Biblical fatuousness is perjorative, editor...
Intentionally so.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jun 15, 2012 - 04:02am PT
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I like this part from the article that Todd linked. Apparently there may be a gondola to downtown someday, i didn't know these guys had their dongs in the waterfront too. It is an old article though. As well, who knows who writes all this dribble anyways.
GroundEffects Development Inc. is the company behind the Sea to Sky Gondola proposal. Principals David Greenfield and Trevor Dunn bring a vast amount of experience to the project, working on the complete lifecycle of countless world class large-scale projects primarily through many years working with Intrawest Corporation. Locally, GroundEffects is currently engaged in the Squamish Oceanfront Development Corporation, the new proposed Coast Mountain School in Squamish, and Whistler Olympic Park in the Callaghan Valley.
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LeeBow
Trad climber
Victoria BC
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Jun 15, 2012 - 04:15am PT
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Holy Crap!!!
What is wrong with you?
It's a gad darn Prvincial Park!!!
NO PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT!!!
This is what PARK means.
At least in my country.
I guess you folks are use to RCA owning Curry Company and thus the Park.
Here in the GWN the idea of a Park means NO FURTHER DEVELOPMENT...
I think it might help if a few guides spoke up and offers to take their private enterprises out of the park, but let's face it self interest rules, thus the gondola will prevail...Maybe not this time, but sooner or later.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Jun 15, 2012 - 11:22am PT
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"I think it might help if a few guides spoke up and offers to take their private enterprises out of the Park"
Ya, that'll work.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Jun 15, 2012 - 11:28am PT
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"Somehow I personally suspect that they'll be outraged and still oppose anything regardless"
You nailed it.
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