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Gary
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Desolation Row, Calif.
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Oct 12, 2011 - 02:14pm PT
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Dr F, a good start would be to impose a war tax on everyone who was registered Republican when George W Bush was elected. They wanted war, let them pay for it.
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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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Oct 12, 2011 - 04:56pm PT
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Our current health insurance model, in contrast, is like buying insurance that pays the mortgage every month for everybody covered -- and it pays more if you buy a bigger house, for no extra cost to the insured. What is likely to happen to total mortgage payments under this model? Medical insurance covering catastrophic costs makes sense. Medical coverage that pays for what all of us will need anyway makes no economic sense.
John
Yeah, it does because if people can't afford preventative care, they will skip it and just bring higher costs on us all when they show up with serious advanced problems
Peace
karl
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Gary
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Desolation Row, Calif.
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Oct 12, 2011 - 04:58pm PT
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Puh-lease, Dr. F! it's early for April Fool's! No way that whore Krautheimer wrote that.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Oct 13, 2011 - 12:47am PT
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Karl posted Yeah, it does because if people can't afford preventative care, they will skip it and just bring higher costs on us all when they show up with serious advanced problems
This is not an "if." This is exactly the current model for healthcare. And we all pay for it in higher insurance premiums, higher taxes, worse medical care and fewer gov't services. The only people this model is good for is ICU nurses/doctors.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
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Oct 13, 2011 - 09:35am PT
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Commie.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Oct 13, 2011 - 10:19am PT
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Curious LEB, do you see any similarity with that large corporation model and how education is now run?
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apogee
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Oct 13, 2011 - 11:44am PT
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Mitt! Mitt! Mitt!
Mormon! Mormon! Mormon!
Romneycare! Romneycare! Romneycare!
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apogee
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Oct 13, 2011 - 11:48am PT
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Get used to it, Repubs...
Your candidate is going to be a Mormon who built the healthcare model that Obama followed....
Tough vote, eh? Of course, you could stay home, too...that would be fine.
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apogee
climber
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Oct 13, 2011 - 12:06pm PT
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Mitt! Mitt! Mitt!
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apogee
climber
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Oct 13, 2011 - 12:14pm PT
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Romneycare! Romneycare! Romneycare!
Get used to it, Repubs.
A Mormon is going to be your candidate.
Of course, Repubs don't need to fall in love with their candidate...they simply fall in line...
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apogee
climber
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Oct 13, 2011 - 12:23pm PT
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Yes, F, all of those things are true about Mitt...
Kinda makes you wanna stay home on election day, don't it, Repubs?
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apogee
climber
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Oct 13, 2011 - 12:28pm PT
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Geez, this election is starting to seem eerily familiar... the GOP's candidate becomes the one who lost the previous nomination, and who they've never been particularly psyched on...and yet they're eventually stuck with him. Seem familiar yet?
And we all know how that election turned out...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 13, 2011 - 12:39pm PT
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On Mitt:
"Do I think the world's getting hotter? Yeah, I don't know that but I think that it is," Romney told a crowd in New Hampshire Wednesday [late August], according to Reuters. "I don't know if it's mostly caused by humans."
Romney then tilted over and grabbed some of Rick Perry's Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK)-endorsed ideas on the environment. That is, let's not spend a dime doing anything about it.
"What I'm not willing to do is spend trillions of dollars on something I don't know the answer to," Romney said.
Earlier fattrad said he was pro-science. Now it looks like he'll bet on any front-running horse, science be damned.
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apogee
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Oct 13, 2011 - 12:43pm PT
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"Earlier fattrad said he was pro-science. Now it looks like he'll bet on any front-running horse, science be damned."
In the end, Republicans don't need to fall in love with their candidate...the GOP knows damn well that they will all fall in line...
The cynical bottom line for the Repugs is that the only thing that matters is getting back to power. The candidate doesn't matter, as long as they can win. Good for America, eh?
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apogee
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Oct 13, 2011 - 12:51pm PT
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The funny thing is that the shape-shifting, flip-flopping Romn-eleon is actually one of the more moderates of the current crop. Not very inspiring to the ideologues or the RR...
Geeezz....who does that sound like....
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apogee
climber
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Oct 13, 2011 - 12:54pm PT
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Wouldn't it be funny if Romney got into office and furthered the agenda of healthcare reform? It's not out of the question...if Obama can be a closet Repub, Romney could easily be a closet liberal...
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apogee
climber
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Oct 13, 2011 - 12:57pm PT
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See, if the SCOTUS strikes down Obamacare on the basis of the individual mandate to purchase insurance (which is the tactic the opponents are focussing on), then the only remaining option will be a public option.
Obama should have grown a big enough set to push the public option harder, but even if it takes the long way around, it'll be worth it in the long run.
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apogee
climber
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Oct 13, 2011 - 12:59pm PT
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Nah, fattrad, that 'key point' is mainly an issue for the RR, not the GOP as a whole...(yourself being a prime example)...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 13, 2011 - 01:21pm PT
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k-man,
In fairness, unless we know for sure what is causing the problem, we should not be spending money on it.
LEB, we do know what is causing the warming. Go read the Global Warming thread. 98% of all climate scientists know the cause, and the evidence becomes more clear every day.
It shows the gullibility of the US populace that they would even think of voting in for president a person who won't even acknowledge the biggest problem we face today.
But don't take my word for it. Look to the real scientists (that is, of course, if you do believe in science!).
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apogee
climber
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Oct 13, 2011 - 01:22pm PT
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"The "individual mandate" was about as stupid as is comes."
Yeah, I'd agree that it's not a particularly appealing way to get people to become insured- a gov't mandate to do anything is sure to piss off plenty.
Still, it's not unusual, either- hell, you can't drive a car in most states without insurance- in effect, that's a gov't mandate.
Again, the SCOTUS just might strike down Obamacare because of that element..which will leave only one alternative...Public Option.
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