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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Jul 20, 2011 - 03:22pm PT
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Yeah Ammon! You and Kait rock. When are you guys coming out this way?
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Jul 20, 2011 - 03:25pm PT
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Wings of Steel--The PTPP Story
I can't wait for the book!
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Jul 20, 2011 - 03:27pm PT
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PTPTP took ownership of this when he issued his press release.
<chuckle>
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 20, 2011 - 03:31pm PT
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Why don't you STAND DOWN and let someone who has actually been up there take the reins.
Pete, that's a direct request from the SA party and you ought to honor it.
There's been more than enough bullshit published by people who haven't done the route - the best thing you could do at this point is restrain yourself and leave the whole affair to Ammon and Kait to report on as they are the only ones qualified to do so at this point.
Please drop your attempt at a WoS story.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jul 20, 2011 - 03:39pm PT
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I Love how rock-climbing is all about various territorial rights, conforming to idiosyncratic tribal customs, and gaining the power to control other peoples actions via the popularity contest. Kinda feels reminiscent of something... Oh yeah puberty and school.
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Hummerchine
Trad climber
East Wenatchee, WA
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Jul 20, 2011 - 04:03pm PT
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
California
Jul 20, 2011 - 12:18pm PT
Pete, why are you involved in this? You couldn't even get up the first pitch WITH a top-rope. Why don't you STAND DOWN and let someone who has actually been up there take the reins.
Your taking advantage of someone else's (Kait and my) hard work. Face it, you wouldn’t have a story if there was no 2nd ascent.
Go work on your own project.
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In my opinion, no matter how incredibly awesome the second ascent of WOS is (and I think it is!), I'm not seeing how this gives the climbers ownership of this story. There are literally thousands of posts spread over years on this forum, and I enjoy hearing Pete's input very much. Having said that, I can see that the story on Rock and Ice would have been best posted by the second ascent team. Anyway, Pete, please keep posting...the more the merrier!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 20, 2011 - 04:08pm PT
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Jul 19, 2011 - 02:11am PT
Everyone has their own take on things I suppose, but to be honest I really can't go with you on this and I have a somewhat different take on it.
Pre-sport there was no option - you wanted to climb - you led on gear. My perception in the mid-70s was that about 5-10% of people were artisans with pro, another 35-40% or so were competent, and the rest were always nervous. My contention would be that there was a ready-made and heavily pent-up demand just waiting for sport climbing.
Yeah, you can claim it was all about the miracle and potential for 5.12 and above climbing and movement, but you'll excuse me if I can't help but suspect the out-of-the-gate popularity was way more about all those folks who were always nervous about leading on gear than about the potential for great advances in climbing.
Very astute Ed.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 20, 2011 - 04:38pm PT
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Perhaps Pete has been possessed by the spirit of Dirty Rupert VoldeMurdoch, and is doing everything he can to manufacture a story, even if he hasn't spoken first hand to Ammon and Kait. Tapping into their cell phones, impersonating them to get information, blagging, and so on. :-)
Pete may be able to intelligently comment once the facts are public, but until then it's mostly speculation. Sure, he may come up with some tasty tidbits, e.g. about the history of the route, and who the poopers were in 1982. But the only thing that matters at this point is a first-person account as to what was done and seen, and what can be inferred from it. And short of an interview with Ammon, Pete can't provide that. He has every right to say whatever he wants. It might be entertaining, even a bit informative. Once the facts are in, Pete has enough El Cap experience, and even WoS experience, to validly comment. But it's mostly hot air at this point, and maybe a bit of opportunism.
I'd much rather have it from the pirate's mouth. Assuming that he has reasonable writing skills, I'm sure he can tell the story himself.
This reminds me a bit of First Nations here, who sometimes assert that they 'own' stories, especially about things important to their cultures, histories, and beliefs. To the point that sometimes only one or two persons in a group know or are permitted to recount a story, and it can't be recorded or repeated.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 20, 2011 - 04:59pm PT
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So PTPP hacked A & K's phones?
Where is the pie?
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jul 20, 2011 - 05:40pm PT
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Hey guys,
Duane Raleigh asked me to write a feature article for Rock & Ice Magazine about Wings of Steel - its history, its characters, the slander and character assasination, and maybe even some truth! - the whole nine yards, because: 1)He and I have a long-standing relationship from when I wrote my Dr. Piton columns with the magazine, 2)I have been involved with Wings of Steel since 2005 when I was one of the first to give Mark and Richard the benefit of the doubt, 3)I have continued my research over the years and am extemely well-versed 4) Mostly because I'm a damn good writer. It certainly doesn't have much to do with my [in]ability to climb the route! What you will end up reading I hope will be exhaustive and worthy.
I don't really have anything to do with or to say about the second ascent as that is entirely Kait's and Ammon's story to tell. I know that the mag is interested in getting the Second Ascent story, and will pay for it and especially for photos.
I don't have any photos to share. Mark and Richard are providing photos. I hope Randy has a few he can share.
Duane also asked me to write the press release immediately in order to provide advance publicity for the upcoming article. It was certainly not my intention to step on anyone's toes, and I did apologize to Kait via instant message yesterday for hurting her feelings.
I hope that together we can put together a damn fine article for you-all to read - my research into the past and present, and Ammon and Kait's story of the second ascent.
Ultimately, however, I submit to the authority of my boss and editor.
Cheers,
Pete
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Jul 20, 2011 - 05:46pm PT
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Coz, you said: Time Mimi, SG and Pete stand down.
I don't believe Steve has had anything more to say on the matter since January, and Mimi has mostly been talking about the fecal incident since Ammon & Kait's ascent began, so it seems like they've already stood down without any instruction from anyone. Did you just want to include them so it didn't seem like you were being unfair to Pete?
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2011 - 05:58pm PT
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... to write a feature article for Rock & Ice Magazine about Wings of Steel...
What about Climbing Magazine? Or Playboy, so I can legitimately say I read something in that rag?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jul 20, 2011 - 05:59pm PT
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Like it or not PTPP is a member of the press and can write any damn story he wants or his editors want regardless of what you guys think he should be allowed to report on. telling the press to shut up usually does not work......
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jul 20, 2011 - 06:11pm PT
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He may well be getting an ass kicking but that sure has not stopped Faux news from spewing every day........
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Jul 20, 2011 - 06:38pm PT
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What, Mimi hasn't said a thing on the subject in 9 days, when was the last time that happened?
I like Pete's response to Ammon's request that he stand down: "Hey, bust off, I've got a contract."
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jul 20, 2011 - 06:46pm PT
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Mostly because I'm a damn good writer
Nothing like a little humility about ones skill set eh?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 20, 2011 - 06:59pm PT
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So now he's blaming Duane Raligh?
WTF, his speculation is as valuable as anyone else's, who hasn't done the route.
Was that botched, biased, strawmanning 'press release' of his an example of his skills as "a damn good writer"?
No wonder the mags are going out of business.
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BASE1361
climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
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Jul 20, 2011 - 07:13pm PT
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I think what Ammon is really trying to say nice is:
SHUT THE F*#K UP PETE!!!
You were not there, and years prior you top roped Ammon's rope and couldn't even figure out pitches 1 and 2.
Ammon did the entire route on his own merit. The Canadian ASSassin is once again riding on the coat tails of someone else's achievements.
I ran into both Ammon and Kait prior to leaving for the wall, and as Ammon said "I'm going to give it everything I got!!!" He did that and more.
F*#k Yeah Ammon and Kait. Congrats!!!!.
If R&I or anyone wants Poor Pete's advice on WOS you might as well ask him for advice on girls and relationships. Any of the above topics PtPP knows jack sh#t about.
R&I are assclowns to ask Pete for an article when the real one to ask is Ammon and Kait, Mark and Richard.
Period.
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Gene
climber
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Jul 20, 2011 - 07:19pm PT
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+1
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