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jstan
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Jun 25, 2016 - 09:37pm PT
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If you have beheadings you have to do, you can now outsource them.
Capitalism is finally kicking in.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 25, 2016 - 09:39pm PT
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Capitalism is finally kicking in.
over evolution, right!?
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Jun 25, 2016 - 09:40pm PT
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Methodist ministers have administered gay marriages out of rebellion in the Methodist Church and nothing has happened.
For a while i went to a local Methodist church.. because they chose to administer a gay marriage. ..To me.. that just meant everyone was welcome to worship.. black , white, latino, asian, gay, straight, lesbian, transgender,queer ... i say..Good for them..
PS..
That Trump video was Finished in 2012, by an European film company, long before Trump was a presidential candidate.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jun 25, 2016 - 09:43pm PT
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 25, 2016 - 09:56pm PT
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I've posted plenty of the evidence.
You've posted none. Only opinions, and mainly yours. Each time you did, you were refuted. If you scroll back through many threads, you will find that is so.
On the other hand, for many years, I had as a patient a close relative of Hillarys, and she used to joke how this was an example of what the right wing would do, when they could not make a cogent argument.....much like the schoolyard.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 25, 2016 - 10:10pm PT
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when they could not make a cogent argument.....
Pffft.
What's Hillary's cogent arguement???
She's as much wafting in the eddy as you arr.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 26, 2016 - 12:46am PT
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".... but the "Liibs", or what ever you guys are calling your selves are anti christian, aren't you?"
Umm, no, blue.
What you refer to as 'Libs' are a bunch of constitutionalists who believe in the separation of church and state, and that citizens should have the right to live their lives with or without religion.
Ironic? No.
Constitutional.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 26, 2016 - 01:12am PT
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What you refer to as 'Libs' are a bunch of constitutionalists
Well, at least cherry-picking constitutionalists, most of which don't believe in originalism, which means that most of you can't anchor your "constitution" in any objective meaning.
Instead, you elevate the SCOTUS above the constitution, which means that you have no grounding for what counts as "good behavior." And modern politics amounts to attempts to load the "god-like" SCOTUS in order to get "constitutional" interpretations completely uncoupled from original intent, such that the SCOTUS will wave its magic wand over your preferred policies and actions.
I agree with you about the separation of church and state. But much of the rest of what you call "constitutional" is uncoupled from original intent, and your appeals to a "fluid document" are nothing more than efforts to establish majority faction via a loaded SCOTUS.
As just one example, you got your way with the Obamacare ruling, but you don't think of the implications of how you got your way.
When Roberts was deciding which way he'd vote (the deciding vote), he asked the fateful question: "If government can do this, then what can government not do?"
When he voted in favor of Obamacare, he answered his own question: "Government can do anything."
And obviously that was never the intention of our founders. The same founders that wanted a strong separation between church and state (you like originalism on that point) wanted a strong but LIMITED federal government. Neither federalists nor anti-federalists would have imagined nor intended for ANY SCOTUS justice to answer Roberts' question with: "Government can do anything." So, you like to talk about a "fluid document" uncoupled from originalism when it suits your particular value system.
So, you cherry-pick your "constitutionalism" and have no higher moral ground than right-wingers who want to impose their values on you. You also want to impose your values on others; yours are just a different set of values.
Both sides are stumping for their own version of majority faction, and neither side is truly anchored in the original intent of the (whole) constitution.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jun 26, 2016 - 06:36am PT
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madbolter posted Well, at least cherry-picking constitutionalists, most of which don't believe in originalism, which means that most of you can't anchor your "constitution" in any objective meaning.
It's interesting that the concept of "originalism" had to be invented 200 years after the Constitution was written. The Constitution states that the Supreme Court would be the final arbiter of the Constitution. "Originalists" are merely pedants, people who don't like the fact that the Constitution is being used beyond the "original intent" of creating a utopia for white landholding men or both.
madbolter posted When he voted in favor of Obamacare, he answered his own question: "Government can do anything."
If by "anything" you mean "levy taxes" which the Constitution clearly states it can do.
So, you cherry-pick your "constitutionalism" and have no higher moral ground than right-wingers who want to impose their values on you. You also want to impose your values on others; yours are just a different set of values.
The Constitution is not a moral document, it is a legal document. All laws impose certain values over others (and the lack of laws has the same effect). The purpose of the Constitution was to create a process that we could peacefully settle our differences in values.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jun 26, 2016 - 07:40am PT
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Only a 12-point lead for Hillary? I'm hoping it's 20 in November.
When last month’s Washington Post-ABC News poll showed Donald Trump leading Hillary Clinton 46 percent to 44 percent among registered voters, it was the third poll in a week to show the presumptive GOP nominee in a surprising lead. Many Democrats began to worry (or at least worry more openly) about the Clinton campaign. Now they can breathe a little easier: The June Post-ABC poll, out Sunday morning, shows Clinton leading 51 percent to 39 percent, a 14 point swing.
Support for Donald Trump has plunged as he has alienated fellow Republicans and large majorities of voters overall in the course of a month of self-inflicted controversies, propelling Democrat Hillary Clinton to a double-digit lead.
The survey finds sweeping unease with the presumptive Republican nominee’s candidacy — from his incendiary rhetoric and values to his handling of both terrorism and his own business — foreshadowing that the November election could be a referendum on Trump more than anything else.
Roughly two in three Americans say they think Trump is unqualified to lead the nation; are anxious about the idea of him as president; believe his comments about women, minorities and Muslims show an unfair bias; and see his attacks on a federal judge because of his Mexican American heritage as racist.
Only 1 in 3 think he's qualified to be President. Apparently, the GOP leader of the senate isn't one of them...
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is supporting Republican presumptive nominee Donald Trump for president — but he isn’t saying, at least for now, whether he thinks the business mogul is actually up to the job.
McConnell twice declined on ABC’s “This Week” Sunday to say straight out that Trump is qualified to be president.
“Look, that will be up to the American people to decide,” McConnell said. “He won the Republican nomination fair and square. He got more votes than anybody else against a whole lot of well-qualified candidates. So our primary voters have made their decision as to who they want to be the nominee. The American people will be able to make that decision in the fall.”
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 26, 2016 - 07:53am PT
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I checked out GODFACTOR.Com AS KKKlimner suggested.
Here's what it actually says.
Pray for Trump, whether he really accepted Christ or not. He needs it. Let's not make excuses for him, but let's also not belittle what God can do through a man.
The gfactor also alludes to the suggested fact that Idi Amin Dada may serve a a role model for Trump since he is rumoured to have accepted Christ before his kidneys gave out in 2003.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jun 26, 2016 - 07:58am PT
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But she has baggage as we know and is not exactly going to fire up the youth
but the libs will never admit that BAGGAGE is also related to Benghazi..
Clinton will fall hard
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jun 26, 2016 - 07:58am PT
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Can't disagree GCF. I hope she doesn't take the safe route, like picking Tim Kaine as her running mate. The Dem platform committee needs to give the progressives plenty of victories and I like Elizabeth Warren as VP, Sherrod Brown next.
The Benghazi-hoax/Birther crowd is Donald's base. They'll follow the buffoon to a historic defeat.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 26, 2016 - 09:01am PT
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Really, what were a bunch of white slave owners thinking when they wrote the constitution???
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 26, 2016 - 09:10am PT
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Bold Text**Battleground boss: Clinton leads Trump across swing-state map
Clinton has the edge in the states that matter most, according to POLITICO's inaugural Battleground States polling average.**
Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump in the 11 pivotal states likely to determine the outcome of this year’s presidential election, according to the debut of POLITICO’s Battleground States polling average.
As the 2016 general election begins, Clinton holds a 5-point overall advantage in the POLITICO Battleground States polling average over Trump, 44.8 percent to 39.8 percent. That lead extends to the state level: Clinton has the advantage in eight of the 11 individual swing states.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/battleground-states-clinton-trump-224202#ixzz4ChcD79hR
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 26, 2016 - 09:29am PT
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Ms. Warren would be better off for Mrs. Clinton as not a part of the campaign. She can continue to brawl with the orange turd. Having said brawl emanate from within the campaign is just a bad idea. She clearly gets under the turds skin making him flap his lips and what comes out his mouth is pure gold as far as future ad campaigns go. I expect her to possibly go after a Governor from a swing state.
You're probably right as far as 30% of the Bernie supporters go. The only reason the youth came out and participated was to support their favorite grand father. Sorry - that's not going to change.
Senator Sanders has changed the game inside the DNC and his campaign has made positive changes towards progression. With the very very likely possibility Mrs. Clinton is the nominee it'll become clear to those still fighting very hard for Bernie's platform - myself included - that for anything that we fought for to matter at all the orange turd cannot win come November.
And when Senator Sanders said he'll do everything in his power to keep the orange turd from winning in November anyone with just a few functional brain cells should know exactly what that means. He is knot running third party.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 26, 2016 - 10:04am PT
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pyro proclaimed with certainty
but the libs will never admit that BAGGAGE is also related to Benghazi..
Clinton will fall hard
prove it, pyro
prove it, I have the Benghazi Hearing online right here, prove that your beloved Republicans who ran the hearing "uncovered" any evidence of wrong doing, etc
secondly, take a look at today's polls and explain what alternate universe you live in
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