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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 10, 2011 - 11:13pm PT
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NOPE
Cain's the nation's nightmare.
He will not appoint any muslims to his administration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDXCwd65R5o
Creeping Sharia law he fears.
Perhaps he already believes the Constitution is in tatters and wants to finish the job. He's claiming the 1st Amendment as his justification. So Orwellian or Fascist or Communist
Any community who wants to ban a Mosque? Yes they have a right to do that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwvsbI2VyjI&feature=related
Therefore my community has a right to ban a Synagogue or a Mormon Temple or.......
Foreign policy is Bombs, Bullets and Business." Our friends, they have an interest in being friends with us not just for Bombs and Bullets but also for Business."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxeaUl-u8lI&feature=related
Our friends are with us for Bombs and Bullets? Interesting friends we have.
FactCheck.org on the last "debate"
Cain told a whopper when he said he “would be dead under Obamacare” because the cancer that was detected in 2006 was found early and “I was able to get the necessary CAT scan tests, go to the necessary doctors, get a second opinion, get chemotherapy.” But, “If we had been under Obamacare and a bureaucrat was trying to tell me when I could get that CAT scan that would have delayed my treatment.” But the truth is that nothing in the new law would require any patient to clear CAT scans or medical treatment with “a bureaucrat.” Cain is simply reviving the old “death panel” claim, which topped our list of the “Whoppers of 2009.” http://www.factcheck.org/2011/09/fanciful-facts-at-fox-news-debate/
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Oct 10, 2011 - 11:19pm PT
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Suffer our contempt Brucy Kay-oH. You've lost the argument and are
the subject of derision. YOUR socialist postings just demean the fine folks in CAN. Shuuush!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 10, 2011 - 11:19pm PT
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On Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan:
9 Percent personal income tax
While the result of this part of Cain's plan would affect taxpayers differently, the flat income tax and the elimination of payroll taxes would result in shifting some of America's tax burden, making some poorer Americans pay more into the system while many middle- and upper-class Americans would pay less.
9 Percent national sales tax. Most economists agree the sales tax is the most regressive tax there is. (Look up regressive tax in your Funk and Wagnall's). This was all hashed out when Perot was running for President.
Most economists agree that a national sales tax would raise the relative tax burden on low- and middle-income earning taxpayers. "The main reason is that low- and middle-income households consume more of their income than high-income households do," said William Gale, senior fellow for economic studies at the Brookings Institution. "Another way of saying that is high-income households save more of their income than low-income households do."
9 Percent Corporate income tax
Like Cain's changes to the personal income tax structure, his plan for businesses would include eliminating many -- though not all -- of the credits and deductions businesses now enjoy.
Stay tuned for better analyses of Cain's tax plan as time goes on.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 10, 2011 - 11:19pm PT
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Come on Fatty...Take Norton's money ...greed is good ...set the hounds loose...what good is money if you can't leverage people with it...4 in the ass , one in the head...RJ
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 10, 2011 - 11:21pm PT
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Suffer our contempt Brucy Kay-oH. You've lost the argument and are
the subject of derision. YOUR socialist postings just demean the fine folks in CAN. Shuuush!
Thats some funny shyte dude!
I think I may have misunderstood the corniss chopper.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 11, 2011 - 08:27am PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 11, 2011 - 11:23am PT
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From the book, "The Authoritarians"
"Probably about 20 to 25 percent of the adult American popula tion is so right-wing authoritarian, so scared, so self-righteous, so ill-informed, and so dogmatic that nothing you can say or do will change their minds," Altemeyer told me. He added, "They would march America into a dictatorship and probably feel that things had im proved as a result. The problem is that these authoritarian followers are much more active than the rest of the country. They have the men tality of 'old-time religion' on a crusade, and they generously give money, time and effort to the cause. They proselytize; they lick stamps; they put pressure on loved ones; and they revel in being loyal to a co hesive group of like thinkers. And they are so submissive to their lead ers that they will believe and do virtually anything they are told. They are not going to let up and they are not going to go away.”
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Oct 11, 2011 - 11:34am PT
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Radical right-wingers psyche
"Danes for Bush hit the pavement in August 2004; just as the American Presidential campaign was beginning to heat up. The tour was timed to hit New York at the end of August at the same time as the Republican convention that would confirm George W. Bush as the Republican presidential candidate in 2004.
The two-man Danish road show of Jakob Boeskov and Mads Brugger plow their way across the United States in a camper van for a series of appointments with the right-wing grassroots of the American heartland during the weeks leading up to the Republican convention. With an air of determination they make continuous vows to do whatever they can to support the cause of making sure Bush and Cheney are around until 2008.
Their weapon of choice is a portrait of sincerity, a couple of over-the-top matching outfits, plenty of ‘Danes for Bush’ campaign paraphernalia, and a bizarre inflatable pork-sausage mascot wrapped in an American flag. Yet they steadfastly refuse to reveal that their fighting words should be taken at anything but their face value. It may all seem over the top, but so are the views espoused by hard-right republican after republican.
This is the ticket into this surreal parallel world, and Jakob and Mads never give up the deep dark secret that they themselves are anything but genuine in their purported beliefs and stated intentions. Even on their website (www.danesforbush.org), they refuse to give up the gag. Their subjects remain unguarded and uninhibited. Free to speak candidly, they do. This is the source of the genius.
A district judge in Texas feels no shame in suggesting that dropping the bomb on Baghdad would save lives – his proof: it did in Japan. They create an award and give it to him – Americans love awards. There is no counterattack attack their targets face. No moment of revelation where the purpose is revealed to the unsuspecting. They will forever remain ignorant.
Yet it is the unexpected by-product of these countless encounters with hard right-wingers during their cross-country marathon that sets Danes for Bush apart in this genre of political satire.
While it is no surprise to find groups of radical right-wingers talking the talk one would expect of radical right-wingers, what is an eye-opener is the source of the feelings of uncertainty and paranoia their targets ultimately reveal.
The talk of the right-wingers they encounter is of the hopeless tragedy of friends and neighbours murdered by random gun-violence; Vietnam as a terrifying scar – one that we see lingering disturbingly on so many psyches; and of course the deep, oftentimes wildly fanatical, religious faith used to steady so many in the face of it all. The trauma of being hit by terrorists who, from the perspective of a small-timer in the heart of America, have emerged almost mystically from some unknown evil has been the final blow. These people are visibly shaken in many of the encounters. They have felt an enormous sense of betrayal of purpose over the years, and they are stunned by it.
As we watch the Danes for Bush characters in full pantomime, Mads and Jacob meeting right-winger after right-winger, group after group; the puzzle pieces begin to fall into place. One now understands where it is the people they are meeting are coming from.
With this realisation, the disbelief that a group of such people and their radical viewpoints can exist mutates into a sort of momentary, if uneasy, forgiveness – which is not at all to say that one finds oneself agreeing with virtually anything being said.
The right-wingers are children stumbling through the unknown, ever fearful of what may lurk around the next corner, wishing for the impregnable protection.
The enemy surely lurks somewhere in the Middle East, so attack, ATTACK! What better justification? There is no time to think about it, to debate. How can you put a price on comfort, reassurance? The violent and unpredictable world must be secured.
In managing to communicate with the same group of people that John Kerry and the left wing of America were simply unable to touch, the Danes for Bush guys, if inadvertently, stumbled upon the reason why this very fear exists in the first place.
Sadly, dealing with this mess will preoccupy Americans for years to come."
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Oct 11, 2011 - 12:47pm PT
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Gary
climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
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Oct 11, 2011 - 12:56pm PT
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Well, what a surprise! Here's a tax cut the Republicans won't support:
Obama's $447-billion jobs plan, with its mix of tax breaks for workers and new spending to hire teachers or build roads and bridges, would add 1.9 million jobs and boost gross domestic product by 2 percentage points, according to independent economists.
Republicans largely oppose the measure as they pursue their own jobs agenda: lowering business taxes and rolling back what the GOP calls "job-killing" regulations. But they have been unable or unwilling to say how many jobs they think they can add this way.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gop-jobs-20111011,0,6497313.story
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 11, 2011 - 01:00pm PT
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Yes, elections have consequences: Are you really so naive you think Obama would appoint 13th century dumb fuk Republicans? Are you THAT stupid? Apparently so.
"This is an impressive crowd — the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elite. I call you my base."
George W Bush speaking at a Republican fund raiser
Make it 15.000 Obama beats ANY Republican and goes another four years.
Come on chickenshits, take my bet.
COWARDS
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 11, 2011 - 01:08pm PT
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Hey Norton. I appreciate your presence here on the forum, but do you think you could chill out on the coward stuff?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 11, 2011 - 01:12pm PT
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Dr. F.,
I don't normally respond to rhetorical questions, but the article you posted contains such prototypical exaggeration that it's worth an exception in this case.
Despite the blood-curdling screams of the true-believing environmentalists and the campaign rhetoric of the Democrats, the Republicans are not trying to destroy the EPA that they helped to create. The legislation is simply an effort to do what I suspect a strong majority of people want, namely balancing environmental concerns with all the other, sometimes competing, concerns about quality of life.
The current EPA has essetntially ignored those competing concerns saying, with some justification, that the current wording of congressional environmental legislation leaves no room for optimization, but insists on environmental purity. I doubt that most people support environmental purity regardless of cost, and I'm fairly certain Congress never intended such a thing, but that's the way the legislation reads, so that's the way courts are bound to interpret it.
The pending legislation is an attempt to restore some balance. Reasonable minds can differ as to the balancing point, but misrepresenting the issue and making it an all-or-nothing proposition ill serves both the discussion of the issues and the American people.
John
Edited to correct typos.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 11, 2011 - 01:14pm PT
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The legislation is simply an effort to do what I suspect a strong majority of people want, namely balancing environmental concerns with all the other, sometimes competing, concerns about quality of life.
Hey John, Do you think that the legislation proposed by the republicans genuinely achieves this?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 11, 2011 - 03:11pm PT
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If the republicans wanted to destroy the EPA, they could do that by de-funding it, and by amending the environmental laws to eliminate the EPA Endangered Species Act, Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, ect., among other actions. The fact that they have not seems lost on its critics.
More importantly, the critics of the Republicans apparently want no change in the environmental laws so that, for example, the EPA can regulate carbon dioxide emission without any regard for economic consequences, or any ability for the political process to interfere in the balancing point, because there is no balancing point.
Of course, critics of the Republicans will always see a bigger agenda, just as we on the right see a bigger one with a lot of things the left says and does. That's your right (or maybe you'd prefer that I say your privilege), but if you want to debate a bill, you should confine that debate to what that bill provides, not what you think its proponents ultimately desire because all successful governance involves compromise. By definition, parties to a compromise want more than they get.
John
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 11, 2011 - 03:18pm PT
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Fattrad, I don't answer to you.
And yes, I HAVE posted my name.
There is nothing stopping you from going through my posts to find that one.
Why do YOU give a damn what my name is?
edit: John Moosie, I will continue to call Fattrad a coward with the same accuracy he calls me "drug addled", "drug addicted", and a "socialist".
I have nothing to apologize to him for.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 11, 2011 - 04:59pm PT
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If the republicans wanted to destroy the EPA, they could do that by de-funding it,
I thought that was part of what they did under George Bush.
I will ask again. Do you think the Republicans current plan will genuinely balance the need for business, with the need for a clean environment?
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