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WBraun

climber

Oct 19, 2009 - 09:05pm PT

Dr F -- You can not criticize science, it is a natural process.

Yes, absolutely true.

When a lot of science has fallen into bullsh'it then it can be criticized just as you criticize the so called false religion.

WBraun

climber

Oct 19, 2009 - 09:12pm PT

Thus the "Science of the soul" is a natural scientific process to understand the constitutional position of all living entities.

To attach this process to some fundamental secretarian religion shows a poor fund of knowledge.

cintune

climber

the Moon and Antarctica

Oct 19, 2009 - 09:16pm PT

But there is no scientific evidence for the soul. It's an imaginary, artistic concept, rooted in the denial of the actual evidence that when we die, out little light goes out, and that's all. Why should that be such a bad thing? It's the time spent here and now that counts for everything.

WBraun

climber

Oct 19, 2009 - 09:25pm PT

Only you say that cintune, and those of you in the same camp.

You are nothing just as you preach your so called facts based on therory. You can not do anything and yet you're preaching this bullsh'it.

You ultimately do not know. So your knowledge is worthless because it's still theory.

Science is acceptable by the human society.

Medical science, legal science, engineering science.

But that type of science is simply useful so long you have got this body.

But as soon as your body is finished, there is no more use this type of science.

Thus ultimately modern so called science is defective due to not understanding the origin, the source,

Just all theories, which influence the way we make our world.

Thus those who rebel against dogmatic secretarian religions promote the exact same dogmas with their so called theories.

cintune

climber

the Moon and Antarctica

Oct 19, 2009 - 09:32pm PT

No such thing as a so-called theory. There are theories, and there's blind faith. Take yer pick, whatever gets you thru the night, alright.

And yeah, skip, but extraordinary claims require evidence. You're putting the horse behind the cart.

WBraun

climber

Oct 19, 2009 - 09:33pm PT

All the proof is there, rascal.

Go back to your laboratory and chew on your dead bone.

Either that, make a real scientific search/research.

All rascals .....

WBraun

climber

Oct 19, 2009 - 09:35pm PT

Then you pay since you owe and then you'll be free .

Simple logic.

Gobee

Trad climber

Los Angeles

Oct 19, 2009 - 09:55pm PT

"Dogs gnaw on bones ....... "
Some people want Barbeque Sauce instead of God!

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Oct 19, 2009 - 09:58pm PT

Isn't alleged "absence of evidence" the life support dogma of creationism? Even when they get their noses rubbed in it?

WBraun

climber

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:06pm PT

They have nothing. Just words like "blind faith" believe what you want to believe.

Only a rascal will say some nonsense like that. It's foolish people like them that have the actual blind faith saying there is no soul.

You have to be a total fool to claim that you do not exist.

The symptom of the soul has been thoroughly proven since time memorable.

Now these so called rascals who are thoroughly defective in every way created thoroughly defective instruments out of limited material elements to measure and try and find the soul and claim that they know.

They know nothing of where those material elements originated what to speak of the soul.

They have no knowledge except worthless theory and their own blind faith, believing their own self made puffed up knowledge that we are now scientist.

More rascaldom.

apogee

climber

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:16pm PT

"Change is evidence of one's willingness to leave a world of myopia, and broaden one's horizons."

Would this statement apply to an individual who is questioning their long-held creationist beliefs, and 'broadening their horizons' by giving close consideration to evolution? Or does it only apply 'one-way'- when an individual embraces creationism/Christianity, and largely eschews science?

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:22pm PT

Werner, really you are overstating your case. Whether the soul exists or not is a matter of belief, by your own rules, really. What is beyond the physical is not within the domain of science. Science has nothing to say on that matter.

Science is provisional, and it only applies to the physical domain.

Now we can debate whether or not what is believed to be beyond the physical must exist, I happen to believe it is a part of thought and is real only in thought, but since thought motivates action the outcome is essentially the same.

Existence beyond this particular life is also something which is "beyond physical" and once again may or may not exist. I also think it does not, but that's just me.

It is both true to say that science has not measured the "soul" and that there is a "soul." But the reconciliation is not acceptable to those who believe in the soul. It is that the soul exists in the domain of our thoughts, our imaginations. For some reason, this is rejected as being lesser than "true existence" but the constraints put on what existence is for the soul, as we know it in this physical life, are such that that is the only place it can exist and escape our limited, but effective scientific method.

There is a sense of physical "life after death" but it is in the things we have done that are remembered, recorded and passed along. Newton's Principia Mathematica reads like a conversation with Newton... in a real sense he is there with us, at least that is the sense that I get. So a part of him lives on.

apogee

climber

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:23pm PT

"Light triumphs over darkness."

Individuals find light in their lives in many, many ways. We should all have to freedom to do so, with the respect of others for our beliefs.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:24pm PT

Did Neanderthals have souls?

WBraun

climber

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:25pm PT

Every living entity has a soul which is the individual which operates the material body.

Saying that the lower forms of life have no soul is poor fund of knowledge.

WBraun

climber

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:31pm PT

Again Science;

Noun: Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.

Knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.

You can not put science into a box and limit it to only the gross physical domain.

It becomes defective.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:32pm PT

While I don't agree with Werner, what he is talking about is something worked out over a very long time by many very wise people. It is undeniable that we have certain thoughts and feelings about life, death, etc... Spirituality and mysticism are relatively common and recurring themes in the human experience. These are often manifest in religious beliefs, philosophical systems, etc.

Science limits the domain of its inquiry to what is physical. Within that domain it has been the most successful system to produce knowledge which is actionable, this thing we are communicating over is the result of that knowledge production.

One has to face some reconciliation of what and where a concept of "god" and like comes from... and for me that is through the process of thought and imagination. Those concepts can exist there without being physically real, and if they are compelling they can have a real effect on peoples actions. But they may not be physical. Perhaps that is too easy, as I said, most people don't accept it because it existence in thought alone seems to be "lesser" but I don't see it that way.