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philo
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boulder, co.
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Jan 22, 2009 - 05:26pm PT
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The same thing that Depleted Uranium was. Killing innocent civilians and leaving a lasting legacy of mutilation and deformities lest they, "The Others", forget they are sub-human evil doing terrorists.
Nothing says we told you so like radioactive poisoning, birth defects and flesh being burnt to the bone.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 22, 2009 - 05:36pm PT
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Here is what the effects of WP look like.
WARNING this is not pretty. If you have a weak heart or stomach please don't look!
And here is the delightful long term consequences of the use of Depleted Uranium.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 22, 2009 - 06:44pm PT
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Good response there DaftRat. Showing your humanity again!
It was easy for Tsipi Livni, the daughter of Israeli terrorist royalty, to claim there was no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. To her the Palestinians are not humans. So it was a simple matter of eradicating vermin.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 22, 2009 - 11:31pm PT
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You talk big Jeff. But my guess is that you have no stomach for the reality of war.
My take is that you really are a decent compassionate man. I think you know the Israeli response was over the top and unreasonable. If the roles were reversed I would flood compassion on your pain. These are human beings Jeff. I know you know that.
"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jan 23, 2009 - 12:06am PT
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What did Israel accomplish?
They left Hamas in control. The tunnels are already reopening and Hamas will rearm. As far as I'm concerned, the lives of the dead children were sacrificed for nothing.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 23, 2009 - 07:09pm PT
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Where do you get that nonsense Skip and why do you insist on barfing it all over. That is a vile and pernicious lie and you know it. At the very least you should refrain from inane regurgitation.
If this father decides to become a suicide bomber who could blame him?
I pretty sure if I were in his shoes I would take out as many as possible innocent or not. That child and mother as well as hundreds more WERE INNOCENT! They were murdered in cold blood by dispicable cowards of the IDF
Terrorism as we know it in this area was first practiced by the Stern and Irgun gangs against the British of the Mandate. Why should the world care one whit if the Israelis reap what they sow?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 23, 2009 - 07:19pm PT
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No Jeff I haven't and there is no reason to either.
You have yet to address any of my queries like the pro-Israelis dancing to celebrate 1300+ deaths in Gaza at the peace vigil in Denver. You never address the issues I raise directly but rather spew more of your AIPAC bull shit! How pathetic! I pray for the soul of Judaism as the Zionists are leading you all to Hell with blackened hearts and deadened souls!
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 23, 2009 - 07:35pm PT
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But Jeff regardless of intent tell me what would have been the response if Arabs had shown up to dance at a peaceful vigil to mourn the death of 1300+ Jews?
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Jan 23, 2009 - 08:11pm PT
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Philo, you are such a two faced dingleberry. You are totally blinded by one-sided hate.
Arabs did show up to dance at the death of what, 3,000 completely innocent people? The deaths of Jews and Christians and a few Moslems too. Unless the "Propagandists" fooled me, I saw Palestinians dancing in the streets in celebration of these deaths. Wasn't that in September, 2001? So if Jews have "blackened hearts and deadened souls!" (your words) when they do this what then does your double standard say about that time? Palestinians are OK to celebrate the deaths of innocents, because they are the the only people there who are "victims." They were justified because they are the "oppressed." Horse crap; they're as bad as anyone else who's dancing to celebrate death.
And, even loving, even headed Philo says: "if I were in his shoes I would take out as many as possible innocent or not." Wow, Philo's own words. So its OK for you and for Palestinians to "take out" innocents, because their "tribe" has done the same to your "tribe." But the reverse is GENOCIDE. Hypocrisy at it's best.
And isn't it GENOCIDE (!!!), what Hamas is doing to Fatah? No trials. No justice, it's cold blooded murder. Whoops, I err. Jews aren't doing the killing, so it's all OK. Dam, I do have to get this double standard thing straight.
You, Philo are the reason for hate and war in the Middle East. Blind idiots on both sides who can't get past the hatreds and "injustices" of generations. No one will take the first step and blood will continue to flow.
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cintune
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the Moon and Antarctica
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Jan 23, 2009 - 08:20pm PT
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SUPERTOPO.COM:: The Achille Lauro of rock-climbing discussion forums.
Yesseree, one hell of a hijacking.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Jan 23, 2009 - 08:54pm PT
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Fatty, I'm getting it! That jew (American citizen) killed by terrorists on the Achille Lauro. He wasn't human. Philo tells us so. He was an "oppressor." A "colonizer." A "coward." And even if he was innocent, he deserved to die, because those who killed him were noble "freedom fighters," and anything goes if it gets your tribe what it wants, er, I mean deserves.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 23, 2009 - 09:04pm PT
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So Mntyoung let me inform you of reality. The footage you are referring to that seemed so damaging to Palestinians was proven to be file footage from 2 years BEFORE 911.
It was a political rally where they were throwing candy to children. It had NOTHING to do with celebrating 911. Even AIPAC knows that horse won't run anymore. Which is why they stopped spewing that propaganda.
As they no longer contend that Palestinians claimed responsibility for 911. They had that gem ticker taped below news coverage even as the buildings still stood. They were forced to desist as it was a bald faced lie.
What isn't a lie is the 12 Mossad agents arrested on the bank of the East River on 911. They WERE dancing and celebrating WHILE the buildings collapsed. Even Fattrad will tell you they are still in American detention. But since Fox news and Rush Limbaugh didn't cover it you obviously missed that. But don't let that stop you from spewing lies.
Mntyoung just caught your follow post. Do you really think you have a place to lay such assumptions on or about me? Your ignorance glares like the neon lights of Vegas.
Check your facts before you disseminate debunked bull shit!
And Yes if anyone did that to my family I would do ANYTHING to take them out! I can understand where that desperate hate comes from. So sue me.
So once again some xenophobic moron wants to attempt to make me responsible for the death in the Middle East. And I quote "You, Philo are the reason for hate and war in the Middle East".
Great logic and deductive reasoning you got there. Do you even realize what a dumb ass that makes you sound like?
I quote Bob Dylan "Idiot wind... It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe."
"No one will take the first step and blood will continue to flow."
Wrong again friendO! My wife just spent a month over there on an international peace delegation talking to victims on both sides of the Apartheid Wall. Including to the two men, one Israeli and one Palestinian who both lost children to the violence. They have started a dynamic organization that is promoting peace and reconciliation. It can, and will, happen. But I guess you will have to kill me first as I am the reason for all the strife. I will paint a bullseye on me to make it easier. I am waiting,
Her cousin Queen Noor of Jordan has worked tirelessly for peace, reconciliation and justice.
What have YOU done.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 23, 2009 - 09:18pm PT
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Let me play the same game of twist and spin Mntyoung, You boy are responsible for every death in the Middle East. The blood of all the killed is staining your hands because you do nothing. You do not lobby your government to play with an unstacked deck. A deck permenantly biased against the Palestinians.
And Skip prove me wrong with a reliable source.
Otherwise STFU!
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Jan 23, 2009 - 09:41pm PT
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Philo, when you say: "So Mntyoung let me inform you of reality," make sure you spell it REALITY. That way we know it's true because you say so. Although you can't see it, your reality is a little slanted; you've proved that over and over in this thread. And, of course, since I don't see things your way, I've been convinced by "propaganda."
Also, you asked: "Do you really think you have a place to lay such assumptions on or about me?" No, it isn't my place to make assumptions. Everything I know about you comes from what you've posted here. What you've posted shows two things clearly: you hate and you're blind. Why should I make assumptions when you make things so obvious?
And that old double standard: I can't assume things about you, but you can about me. I think you implied I watch Fox News and listen to the flaming Nazi windbag? Oh, you are a fool indeed. No, I never watch Fox, I distain it. And Rush? Same camp as Ms. Palin, if you ask me (a prideful embracing of ignorance in both cases). For news I listen to NPR mostly, and I read CNN, Time, BBC and Al Jazeera English on the computer. And, honestly, too, I read a lot of links to political stuff from Supertopo threads. I have other sources too, but I almost never watch TV, and certainly never Fox TV.
There's hope though. I'm totally jazzed to hear what your wife is doing. And I've always thought very highly of Queen Noor of Jordan, and her husband, and his father (not that I've ever met them). So why not you too? Why spew hate on this thread? Help your wife's efforts. Start writing about what can be done to fix things, instead of shouting one-sided invective.
Oh, and me? I have no contacts of any type in the Middle East, so I am observing without doing anything. My "good works" come from many, many hours of work here in my hometown on two nonprofits (one for a school and one to help our Sheriff's department with civilian volunteers). And I mediate too, for local lawyers and their clients, trying to help them settle (sometimes bitter) disputes (but I'm paid for that, so it's not really "good works").
Finally, I'll take a very small step toward peace. Sorry for the deep sarcasm above. My mom always said that sarcasm is the cheapest form of wit. I'll try to be more respectful if I post again.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 23, 2009 - 09:44pm PT
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Two US warships escort Iranian ship carrying arms for Hamas out through Suez Canal
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
January 23, 2009, 6:06 PM (GMT+02:00)
US Coast Guard boarding team
DEBKAfile's military sources report that a US Navy Coast Guard team this week boarded an Iranian arms ship flying a Cypriot flag in the Red Sea and found weapons in its hold.
This was the first time an America warship had ever intercepted an Iranian vessel in international water. The incident activated the Memo of Understanding the former US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice signed with Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni a week ago on actions to halt the flow of Iranian arms to Hamas as part of the Gaza ceasefire.
The Iranian ship's captain showed the US boarding team documents recording the Syrian port of Latakia as its cargo's destination. DEBKAfile reports that both US and Israeli intelligence are certain the arms were bound for Hamas. But according to international law, the US Navy's Combined Task Force (CTF) 151, set up last week to combat piracy, was not authorized to confiscate the cargo or stop the ship because no enforcement mechanism was yet in place.
After a few hours, therefore, the US force released the Iranian vessel and two warships escorted it out of Red Sea waters. The ship and its escort are due to enter the Suez Canal heading north Saturday night, Jan. 23, after being prevented from unloading its arms freight on the coast of Sinai or Gaza.
Tehran has so far not reacted to the incident.
DEBKAfile revealed last week that the new US task force policing the waters of the Gulf of Aden, Arabian Sea, Indian Ocean and Red Sea, under the command of Rear Adm. Terry McKnight, had been additionally assigned with intercepting Iranian ships smuggling arms for Hamas, often in conjunction with Somali pirates and Sinai Bedouin militias.
Massed on the lead ship San Antonio is a helicopter detachment, a "surgical team" for dealing with small speedboats trying to hem the ship in and 14 Navy VBSS members, including two Navy boarding officers. The Coast Guard detachment is made up of eight members, all of them qualified as boarding officers.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 23, 2009 - 10:42pm PT
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Last update - 20:40 22/01/2009
Italian paper: Gazans say Hamas kept them in homes used by gunmen
By Haaretz Service
Tags: Israel, Hamas, Gaza
Palestinian civilians have accused Hamas of forcing them to stay in homes from which gunmen shot at Israeli soldiers during the recent hostilities in Gaza, the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera reported Thursday.
More than 1,250 Palestinians were reportedly killed during Israel's offensive against Hamas in the coastal territory. Israel has been harshly criticized for the large number of civilians among the Palestinian dead, of whom they numbered more than half according Gaza officials.
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ut the Italian paper also quoted a doctor at Gaza City's Shifa Hospital as disputing the number of Palestinians said to have been killed in the campaign.
"It's possible that the death toll in Gaza was 500 or 600 at the most, mainly youths aged 17 to 23 who were enlisted by Hamas - who sent them to their deaths," he said.
13 Israelis were also killed during the 3-week operation, which was aimed at halting rocket fire on southern Israel and destroying Hamas' infrastructure.
The Gaza doctor was further quoted as saying: "Perhaps it is like Jenin in 2002. At the beginning they spoke about 1,500 dead, and at the end it turned out to be only 54 - of whom 45 were militants."
He was referring to the Israel Defense Forces battle with Palestinian militants in the West Bank town that took place during Operation Defensive Shield at the height of the second intifada.
Top IDF officer: Hamas made 'monstrous' use of children during Gaza op
The IDF Gaza Division Commander on Thursday, meanwhile, branded Hamas' use of women and children during the offensive in Gaza as "monstrous" and "inhumane."
Brig. Gen. Eyal Eisenberg said the civilians were sent by Hamas to transfer weapons to gunmen during the offensive. He also accused the Islamist militant group of booby-trapping many of the civilians' homes.
"Entire families in Gaza lived on top of a barrel of explosives for months without knowing," Eisenberg said.
The officer asserted that despite international calls for investigations into alleged war crimes, the Israel Defense Forces soldiers adhered to moral principles while fighting in Gaza.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 23, 2009 - 11:01pm PT
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TGT what a raft of fertilizer! One source with an obvious bias. The lie about the death toll is a great example of rewriting history for the benefit of propaganda. You are not worthy to be consider in an adult exchange.
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