Armed Militia Takes Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge HQ

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Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Jan 20, 2016 - 04:06pm PT

Jan 20, 2016 - 03:07pm PT
Regarding the title of the thread, has there ever been an unarmed militia?

Probably somewhere in France, but here in Murrica?

The blacks in the town where I spent part of my youth ( Huntington, NY) offered a militia company even before the revolutionary war. They were refused powder from the local armory, which still exists and Is two blocks from where I lived as a kid and I passed by every day on the way to school. They kept meeting in the hopes the town would change their mind. The town instead confiscated some of their homes for the village green.

Probably a mistake on the part of the town, as the town militia was essentially wiped out in the battle of Long Island.

BASE104

Social climber

An Oil Field

Jan 20, 2016 - 04:38pm PT

I watched the video posted above showing the meeting of County residents. They, almost to a person, want these guys OUT.

NPR in Oregon had a speech from the Governor asking for them to do something. She said that she had been in contact with the Dept of Justice and the White House.

One of the best ideas was hatched by somebody at the meeting: Cut off their free electricity and internet. There is also probably a way to cut their cell phones from getting out.

Also, protestors AGAINST the Bundies have been showing up at the refuge parking lot. Anyone want to go on a cool roadtrip?

I'm surprised that nobody has shot Bundy's cows free ranging all over southern Nevada. From the looks of them, they don't get much attention.

Check this out. This is new: http://www.hccommitteeofsafety.org/committee-of-safety---members.html

nah000

climber

no/w/here

Jan 20, 2016 - 08:26pm PT

i dunno... they should cut the electricity and internet off for sure...

but other than that, i hope the feds take a cue from the almost fifteen year stand off of john joe gray in eastern texas...

short version is that johnny joe grey bob was arrested for allegedly assaulting an officer in 1999. after he didn't show up for his court date he armed himself and refused to leave his property for the next 15ish years. with all of the bluster of the oregon blmonauts he threatened that if anyone came after him they should bring extra body bags...

the local sheriff's response: "it wasn't worth it. joe gray has been in prison out there himself, in my opinion, for 14 years."

i think in the age of social media the best thing that could happen to this oregon bag of doorknobs is for the feds and locals to just let them be... let them imprison themselves in some god forsakenish land [at least as far as sustainable human life is concerned] and then let the rest of us get our entertainment from the dildos and drums of lube being sent, the parodies being made and etc.

there's too much entertainment value in this.

you know how they say never negotiate with terrorists?

well, here's the thing... the only thing these dudes wants is either to be martyrs who go down in flames or to be the rallying point that starts a "revolution" [whatever that means].

the most beautiful justice in the world would be to let them have a federal building, in the process letting them imprison themselves and then let the rest of the world continue to laugh at them for as long as they continue in their delusions of grandeur...

7SacredPools

Trad climber

Ontario, Canada

Jan 20, 2016 - 09:14pm PT

Daphne

Trad climber

Northern California

Jan 20, 2016 - 09:37pm PT

^^^Johnny joe grey bob? Really? The name kinda says it all.

Banquo

climber

Amerricka

Jan 21, 2016 - 08:13am PT

Just build a razor wire fence round the compound and leave it at that. Great tourist attraction. Buy bags of snacks to toss over the fence.

Fritz

Trad climber

Choss Creek, ID

Jan 21, 2016 - 08:30am PT

Re Banquo's statement:

Just build a razor wire fence round the compound and leave it at that. Great tourist attraction. Buy bags of snacks to toss over the fence.

and dildos.

Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Jan 21, 2016 - 10:01am PT

Invasive species have no place in a wildlife reserve.

Norton

Social climber

Jan 21, 2016 - 10:09am PT

I am liking the Feds plan more and more as time goes on.

Clearly they are simply, quietly, waiting them out...

It's a long and cold winter and Little Debbie snacks gotta be running low there.

The Feds are playing it cool, ain't gonna be no confrontation, not going to give
the BrokeBack Boys what they want most, evacuation publicity.

Feds know the wimmin are tired of doing the boys work back home and want em back

The locals have had enough disruption and want them out of their county.

The Feds can just do nothing at all and eventually they all gotta leave, and then
they can arrest them quietly, charge em with trespassing and destroying public property, maybe in time to have them join Cliven in the poky for quality time.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Jan 21, 2016 - 10:52am PT

The locals have had enough disruption and want them out of their county.

Don't get me wrong, I don't support these clowns in ANY way. But also, don't believe that there is no support for them in a wide ranging community across the country.

If you actually watch the video from the community meeting on the previous page, you will hear people yelling "Let them stay!", and calling for the FBI to go home, rather than the occupiers.

As I said, I have nothing to say in support of these guys, but to believe that they have no local support in the Burns area is just hiding our heads in the sand.

It's complicated.....

Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Jan 21, 2016 - 12:07pm PT

Novelist Ursula Le Guin blasts the biggest paper in the state for its coverage of the insugency.

Uses Loon word.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/jan/21/ursula-le-guin-blasts-coverage-of-oregon-militias-right-winged-loonybirds?CMP=share_btn_tw

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2016 - 12:49pm PT

Jan 20, 2016 - 03:37pm PT
I think I read somewhere that they had access across federal land with 24 hours notice. They abused that, and would take 3 days to cross, basically letting their cattle graze on federal land. The Hammonds are their own worst enemy.

I read somewhere the Tooth Fairy really exists and that the Branch Davidians were child molesters. Good Grief.

I was wrong Escopeta, it was not 2 or 3 days, it was 2 or 3 weeks

Marvin Plenert, 80, who served as Northwest regional director for the Fish and Wildlife Service from 1986 to 1994, says the agency tried to accommodate the Hammonds. “We gave them a day to cross through the refuge and they took two or three weeks to do it. They were in your face about everything. They kept pushing the envelope, cut fences, cattle wound up in the refuge illegally.”
:snippity:
Once, however, a biologist employed at the refuge reported, “The Hammonds were aerial gunning coyotes on the Malheur Refuge, which is illegal.” Cameron claims the Hammonds had an airplane at the time. “They were flying to shoot coyotes on their (own) land, and we didn’t have a problem with that.” The biologist allegedly witnessed the Hammonds’ plane “flying low, turning tight corners, and shooting, and it was over refuge property.” The issue was raised with the Hammonds “and they claimed they were not over the refuge.” Cameron says, “There were so many other contentious things going on that was one incident we didn’t push.”
:snippity:
Leading up to the 1994 incident were the death threats. Cameron says, “My wife would take these phone calls, it was terribly vulgar language. They said they were going to wrap my son in barbed wire and throw him down a well. They said they knew exactly which rooms my kids slept in, in Burns. There were death threats to my wife and two other staff members and their wives. My family went to Bend rather than be in the community because it was so volatile at the time. The families of my biologist and my deputy manager family had to relocate as well for a short time.”

“At the refuge headquarters, one of the Hammonds said they would tear my head off and sh#t down the hole. One of the Hammonds told my Deputy Manager, Dan Walsworth, they were going to ‘put a chain around his neck and drag him behind a pickup.’” Cameron says it became practice “never to meet with the Hammonds alone and usually to have a law enforcement officer present.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/oregon-ranchers-who-sparked-standoff-threatened-to-wrap-officials-son-in-barbed-wire-and-drown-him/

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Jan 21, 2016 - 05:19pm PT

Don't get me wrong, I don't support these clowns in ANY way. But also, don't believe that there is no support for them in a wide ranging community across the country.

Trump, Palin, little green men, ghosts and Sasquatch all enjoy support in a wide ranging community across the country as well. No accounting for stupid.

Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Jan 21, 2016 - 05:49pm PT

Not to mention Powerball.

"Wide ranging" is a loaded criterion

Fritz

Trad climber

Choss Creek, ID

Jan 21, 2016 - 06:02pm PT

The Wildlife Refuge employees posted an open letter to the public on Facebook today.

From: The Staff of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge
To: Our Friends, Partners, and the American Public

Dear Friends,
Many have asked us to comment on the ongoing situation at Malheur NWR. We have refrained because we care deeply for the community, and want to ensure our words do not inflame an already heated situation. However, we believe it is important that our views and position are known.

We believe many in the media (as well as those sympathetic to the illegal occupiers) were surprised to hear that the community—while frustrated with the Hammond situation—did not leap to the support of the militants. We are not surprised.

For over 100 years, our Refuge employees have been members of this community. We study, watch our kids play basketball, worship, commune, and interact with our fellow Harney County citizens—not as a ‘we vs. they’—but as an ‘us.’

In a community with nearly 40% of working adults engaged in some form of government, we are all touched or involved in the public process. In Harney County, that means we talk. We have cups of coffee. We have arguments. Together we knit our brows, and together we knit scarves. We understand what those currently occupying the Refuge don’t understand---that Harney County isn’t afraid of tough talk.

We can have effective disagreements and either find resolution, find compromise, or simply agree to disagree. But we do it with respect for the rule of law, and know that our areas of agreement and cooperation are infinitely more powerful than the differences we may face. Mostly, we face those differences together with open dialogue and open gates—not intimidation and threats. We have access to each other, because we are not afraid to confront difficult situations or have difficult conversations.

It pains each of us that we are missing our obligations to you—as church leaders, as 4-H advisers, as friends, and as school volunteers. We hope to be back soon and pick up where we left off.

From the bottom of our hearts, we thank you for your support. We know (as you do too) that it is not our Refuge that has been occupied; this is Harney County’s and America’s Refuge.

We are excited to be part of the eventual healing process for our community. We believe that this difficult situation will lead to even stronger bonds between the Refuge and the community that has supported us. We feel for you, because we are you.

We will get through this—because:
We. Are. Harney. County.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/malheur_national_wildlife_refu.html

10b4me

Mountain climber

Retired

Jan 21, 2016 - 06:08pm PT

Now is the time for the Feds to go in and arrest Cliven Bundy.

Escopeta

Trad climber

Idaho

Jan 21, 2016 - 07:07pm PT

I was wrong Escopeta, it was not 2 or 3 days, it was 2 or 3 weeks

I was wrong too. It wasn't the Tooth Fairy, it was Santa Claus.

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Jan 21, 2016 - 07:42pm PT

Why go in at all? The powers that be are encouraging these strange guys.

All they need to do is cut the power/phone/cell, block the road, and wait.

Eventually the temper tantrum will stop, hunger/cold will take over and they'll be forced to leave.

If there are charges/warrants then serve them later, it's not like these guys are masked.