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RyanD

climber
Dec 11, 2015 - 07:59am PT
Lmao


The chief it's not even 8 am and you already are frothing nonsense.

yesterday on this thread you were on about Saddam and climate change??

The you changed gears to "el chappo" like you had classified info or something.

You backed it up with random photos of dudes in masks in a room of guns, i think they were screen shots from the last episode of homeland.

It sounded like you were insinuating that they were from Chicago? But I can't really tell because now you are posting random rap videos and claiming intimate knowledge of gun choices of gangs in Miami?? I think...

But you still can't understand how current U.S. Gun laws are perpetuating a cycle of violence.

Not sure if anyone has told you that you have lost it yet today, but add me to the list.




HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Dec 11, 2015 - 08:09am PT
Look, guys! People in Oakland invented the driverless car long before Google!

Source:

[Click to View YouTube Video]

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Also, there were no Tech 9's so I assume we can attribute that to California's strong gun laws.
jonnyrig

climber
Dec 11, 2015 - 08:34am PT
Direct from ATF frequently asked questions:

How may an unlicensed person receive a firearm in his or her State that he or she purchased from an out–of–State source?

An unlicensed person who is not prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms may purchase a firearm from an out–of–State source, provided the transfer takes place through a Federal firearms licensee in his or her State of residence.

[18 U.S.C 922(a)(3) and 922(b)(3); 27 CFR 478.29]

May a person who resides in one State and owns property in another State purchase a firearm in either State?

If a person maintains a home in 2 States and resides in both States for certain periods of the year, he or she may, during the period of time the person actually resides in a particular State, purchase a firearm in that State. However, simply owning property in another State does not alone qualify the person to purchase a firearm in that State.

[27 CFR 478.11]

May an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA in any State?

Generally, a person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State. Exceptions include the acquisition pursuant to a lawful bequest, or an over–the–counter acquisition of a rifle or shotgun from a licensee where the transaction is allowed by the purchaser’s State of residence and the licensee’s State of business. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.

[18 U.S.C 922(a)(3); 27 CFR 478.29]

Therefore, NO, you may NOT legally conduct interstate face-to-face sales between private parties without going through a FFL.

http://www.atf.gov/qa-category/unlicensed-persons
philo

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2015 - 08:40am PT
Here is a nice picture of sunrise over the Colorado mountains just for Chuff Chuff.


The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Dec 11, 2015 - 08:42am PT
But you still can't understand how current U.S. Gun laws are perpetuating a cycle of violence.

Not sure if anyone has told you that you have lost it yet today, but add me to the list.

Cranaklooooooooooonaceeee at it best.


Ryan, unlike in Canada, and the rest of the planet for that matter, Criminals do not obey "laws". That is why they are, wait, here it comes...

"CRIMINALS"!


Priceless.

Laugh of the day so far......
jonnyrig

climber
Dec 11, 2015 - 08:43am PT
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Dec 11, 2015 - 08:46am PT
In Chief's reality, being a "criminal" allows you to magically have access to all things.
jonnyrig

climber
Dec 11, 2015 - 08:46am PT
http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/criminals-and-the-guns-they-carry


Misinformation is really a great way to f*#k up an argument.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Dec 11, 2015 - 08:51am PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From your source...


Little information exists about the use of assault weapons in crime. The information that does exist uses varying definitions of assault weapons that were developed before the Federal assault weapons ban was enacted. (1994)

So in other words, the BJS hasn't the foggiest clue as to how many current day "crimes" "AW'S" are used. The last source of solid data they have is back in 1994. 21 years ago.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 11, 2015 - 08:59am PT
jonnyrig! Good information.

From sniffing around gunsale websites, it does appear that any firearm manufactured before 1899 is considered Antique by folks running those sites and can be shipped directly from state to state without going through a licensed firearm dealer.

The ATF site says the gun has to be a muzzleloader, but the firearms sale folks differ per this link to Empire Arms.

http://www.empirearms.com/pre-1899.htm

For example, lever-action Model 1894 Winchester 30-30's, with pre-1899 serial number are being bought & sold on these sites.

I'm sure they aren't considered as sexy as modern semi-automatics, but they were used by several armies in WWI & were manufactured up until 2006.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 11, 2015 - 09:03am PT
The libtard hand-wringers who are so worked up about 'semi-autos' have never seen a
proficient shooter unload a revolver and re-load with a 'speed-loader' setup. Granted, it might
be a second slower than a semi-auto but it just points up how ignorant they are and how
ridiculous the mag cap restrictions are.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Dec 11, 2015 - 09:10am PT
Chief.... +1

Rilley .... +1


carry on
Norton

Social climber
Dec 11, 2015 - 09:11am PT
libtard hand-wringers who are so worked up


like who, Reilly

can you name some of these guys?

just curious, thanks
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Dec 11, 2015 - 09:13am PT
Reilly posted
The libtard hand-wringers who are so worked up about 'semi-autos' have never seen a
proficient shooter unload a revolver and re-load with a 'speed-loader' setup. Granted, it might
be a second slower than a semi-auto but it just points up how ignorant they are and how
ridiculous the mag cap restrictions are.

And yet more evidence that the enemies we need guns to protect ourselves from exist solely in the daydreams of seventh graders and apparently are way better shots than the rest of us anyway so we're all gonna die. Ban the muslims.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Dec 11, 2015 - 09:16am PT
Average criminal/terrorist according to Reilly: [Click to View YouTube Video]
jonnyrig

climber
Dec 11, 2015 - 09:21am PT
So in other words, the BJS hasn't the foggiest clue as to how many current day "crimes" "AW'S" are used. The last source of solid data they have is back in 1994. 21 years ago.

Well, you're going to either have to rely on privately funded data, or allow funding for the CDC, Dept of Justice, et al, to study the issue. You willing to pony up to that? Otherwise, I'm going to have to call bullshit on your claim of what is the most popular gun used in crimes these days. Post up or shut up. You aren't going to win this argument without data to back up your claims.

Sure am jealous of all the fishing you get to do though.
jonnyrig

climber
Dec 11, 2015 - 09:25am PT
From a couple recent posts above regarding lever guns and revolvers:

That's why I disagree with banning specific types of weapon. Sooner or later the anti-gun crowd will figure out and/or go after traditional hunting arms, like pump action shotguns, lever guns, and revolvers; because they're just as deadly as a semi-auto.
philo

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2015 - 09:30am PT
The operative term is..

a proficient shooter



I don''t think we libtard hand wringers are worked up about "proficient shooters". It's the ammo-ed and arsenal-ed up sociopaths who are anything but "proficient" and who go snap crackle pop in public spaces that are our concern.




Dec 11, 2015 - 09:25am PT
From a couple recent posts above regarding lever guns and revolvers:

That's why I disagree with banning specific types of weapon. Sooner or later the anti-gun crowd will figure out and/or go after traditional hunting arms, like pump action shotguns, lever guns, and revolvers; because they're just as deadly as a semi-auto.

And by what previous examples in reality do you credit for this baseless fear?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 11, 2015 - 09:33am PT
The most used gun is the gun on hand - which playing the percentages would be the ubiquitous .38 revolver. Or a .22

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Dec 11, 2015 - 09:35am PT
jonny posted
That's why I disagree with banning specific types of weapon. Sooner or later the anti-gun crowd will figure out and/or go after traditional hunting arms, like pump action shotguns, lever guns, and revolvers; because they're just as deadly as a semi-auto.

Except that they aren't? That's just an absurd claim. Those weapons exist because they are more efficient at spitting bullets at people, not because they are just a different flavor of weapon.


Chaz posted
The most used gun is the gun on hand - which playing the percentages would be the ubiquitous .38 revolver. Or a .22

Hey, now. This has already been disproved with rap videos. We don't need your made up data here, ok?
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