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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 25, 2011 - 03:23pm PT
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ah,
but when i don my uniform, go to work
and take it out on the innocent,
your my cheerleader!
Let me ask you something, as#@&%e. What is a better uniform, a little Mao-jacket, or jeans and a T-shirt doing the work that I have CHOSEN to do out of free-will?
Idiots like you have no idea or intellect to understand what you're advocating. Have you no concept of history?
I salute the cops that actually found the balls to pick trash like you off the streets.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 25, 2011 - 03:31pm PT
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And Kevin, a true liberal patriot, gets the symbolic post #1776.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 25, 2011 - 03:34pm PT
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BOOB BOMB!!!
(because responding to right wing horsepucky tends to be a huge waste of time)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 25, 2011 - 03:41pm PT
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notice that when he says concept of history,
hes speaking about a specific reading of it
only possible when you have excluded so much of it
the blinders seem prescient
notice that the guy
with the morgage
and the two cars
and the property taxes
and in income withholdings
and a few kids
want to lecture us about freedom
heh
What? Are you a wanna-be illiterate poet now?
F*#king lame. Do you think that makes you sound smarter and give you more relevance?
EDIT: I don't own a home. I wasn't stupid enough to buy one in the recent past.
But kid, yes, 2 cars (all paid off) yes.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 25, 2011 - 04:01pm PT
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why,
you high browed bigot!
I'm neither high-browed, nor a bigot. Far from it actually.
I'd rather hang with gunrack-conservatives and rednecks than Repubs who prefer the golf course.
And the bigot-card is old and tired. I judge people all the time but it has nothing to do with race, gender, or sexuality.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Oct 25, 2011 - 04:04pm PT
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The axis today is not liberal and conservative, the axis is constructive-destructive,
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 25, 2011 - 04:07pm PT
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Tom, what the hell does that mean??? What is yer point?
EDIT: Does everyone feel the need to post pseudo-intellectual or poetic crap to make a point? WTF?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Oct 25, 2011 - 04:09pm PT
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Bluering you need to look up the definition of bigot.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 25, 2011 - 04:10pm PT
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Bluering you need to look up the definition of bigot.
For f*#k's sake!!!! Didn't we do this already????
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Oct 25, 2011 - 04:31pm PT
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several points:
a society is based upon trust; and when that trust is broken, the society is at risk of destruction
the 1% who have dishonestly gamed the system to gain the majority of the wealth and power have defacto managed to divorce themselves from the social agreements that create the system
now that the 'moment of truth' has arrived; the 99% don't need a revolution against the 1%; that just makes them vulnerable to attack by the power elite; who have long been planning for this...
the 99% just need to figure out a system for society that marginalizes the 1%; avoiding the 'Gotcha Capitalism' that is currently in effect, and evolving to online media of exchange
money is an idea based upon confidence; and when that confidence is shaken, people need to move to an alternative means of exchange for valuable goods and services
specifically we no longer need the fed and the banks and the stock market as dictators of the means of exchange; now that we have the internet
the public is generally overlooking the high importance of the fact that unbreakable encryption tools have escaped the intelligence community (against all their best efforts) and become publicly available; i.e. for securing online exchanges for valuable goods and services
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Gary
climber
From the City That Dreams
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Oct 25, 2011 - 04:37pm PT
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Which side are you on?
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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Oct 25, 2011 - 04:42pm PT
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money is an idea based upon confidence; and when that confidence is shaken, people need to move to an alternative means of exchange for valuable goods and services
specifically we no longer need the fed and the banks and the stock market as dictators of the means of exchange; now that we have the internet
the public is generally overlooking the high importance of the fact that unbreakable encryption tools have escaped the intelligence community (against all their best efforts) and become publicly available; i.e. for securing online exchanges for valuable goods and services
Every "alternative currency" has flopped so far, unfortunately. Bitcoins are the latest example.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 25, 2011 - 04:42pm PT
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Tom, I generally I agree with you. Many rules/regs have been relaxed at the behest of politicians (both parties).
Hatin' on Banks and Wall Street is not the way to go. People should be hatin' on the way gov't has ALLOWED this to happen.
Again, it's naive to blindly blame Repubs for this. Both parties vie for the money. It's a matter of who has control or power, who gets lobbied.
The system needs tweaks, not an overhaul.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 25, 2011 - 04:48pm PT
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the 1% who have dishonestly gamed the system to gain the majority of the wealth and power have defacto managed to divorce themselves from the social agreements that create the system
Tom, I have seen words similar to the statement above as justification for, or motivation for, the OWS movement. OWS makes a lot of unwarranted assumptions with the sentence I quote above. Did Steve Jobs dishonestly game the system? What about the liberals' hero, Warren Buffett? Just who do they have in mind? Be specific. Name names. Otherwise, the statement reflects envy and covetousness, not virtue.
In fact, the actual participants in the OWS movement depend on creating hate and resentment of the anonymous 1%, judging by their signs and statements. I realize that there are no official spokespeople for the OWS movement, so it could mean or stand for whatever one desires, but I go by what I see, and what I see I just described.
If there are crooks, they should (and, believe me, they will) be prosecuted. Any prosecutor I know would give his or her eye teeth to go after a big shot -- particularly a rich and unpopular one. The fact that there haven't been prosecutions means -- to the anti-capitalists -- that the rich gamed the system. It means, to those familiar with American prosecutors, that they don't have the goods.
Unfotunately for the OWS instigators, but fortunately for the truth, the modern 1% largely made their money by producing and investing in goods and services that people want to buy.
John
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 25, 2011 - 04:54pm PT
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Well said, John...
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Oct 25, 2011 - 05:08pm PT
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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Oct 25, 2011 - 05:22pm PT
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OWS doesn't want to hate Wall Street, they want the Government to regulate it, blue. They want to draw attention to that reality, and are having more success doing it that any group has so far.
You just don't understand how regulation works. Our government does not create smart regulation that would improve the markets. That is difficult to do - they are complex systems and there is just no money in it for them anyway. Regulation is created as barriers to making profit. Politicians make their money by creating exemptions that allow specific companies or industries to go around these barriers. That is how we get such a complex infrastructure of regulations that grows nearly exponentially every year. Despite what liberals say, deregulation did not cause the financial crisis and in reality did not even occur. Don't believe me? Point to a specific regulation that was removed, where it's removal exacerbated the crisis. Removing Glass-Steagall did nothing to cause the crisis. The companies that needed the most help from the Government were not banks, in fact the Government allowed them to BECOME banks so they could get more aid.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Oct 25, 2011 - 05:24pm PT
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a big part of the problem is unfair distribution of the tax base
people with large amounts of money live on relatively small declared incomes offset by tax deductions and then invest their major resources in mutual funds where they are not taxed on the profits
since a major portion of the economy is thus not taxed; the burden falls upon the middle class
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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Oct 25, 2011 - 05:28pm PT
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That evil, evil Alice Walton. She presides over millions of employees who can barely afford IPhones. What is she worth, a few Billion? So let's take her money, and give it to all the Walmart employees. That will give them a few thousand each.
Then what?
In the meantime there is no capital to run the company, everybody must be laid off and go on unemployment.
Your arguments just show a lack of understanding about economics.
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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Oct 25, 2011 - 05:33pm PT
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a big part of the problem is unfair distribution of the tax base
people with large amounts of money live on relatively small declared incomes offset by tax deductions and then invest their major resources in mutual funds where they are not taxed on the profits
since a major portion of the economy is thus not taxed; the burden falls upon the middle class
Please show your work - this is absolute Bull.
In particular, show a graph or some numbers. I am tired of hearing the baloney about "the rich not paying their fair share". They pay more than their share in terms of percentage of their income and FAR more in terms of dollar amounts.
Typically on here people parrot this about, then some graphs are shown, and people realize the rich pay a very disproportionate amount of taxes. It dies down for a while until someone thinks it is safe to spread lies again and ... "The rich don't pay their fair share... B'gawww... Polly want a subsidy".
Even if you were correct (which you most certainly are not) if they are investing it in Mutual funds like you say, MORE POWER TO THEM. Let's not tax them while the money is invested, it is providing jobs. Tax them when they spend it. The point of money is to spend it right, otherwise why would anyone work for it?
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