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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jun 24, 2016 - 06:01pm PT
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Doesn't matter that Scotland voted in. They are in the United Kingdom. They have to vote out of the UK, and then back into the EU.
Goddamnit Klimmer, you are one dumb SOB. Scotland has said they want a referendum this fall. Sinn Fein has said they want Northern Ireland to have a unification vote with Ireland.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 24, 2016 - 06:12pm PT
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Ok, then, EdwardT. I'll consider you in the category of the 'Smart' Republicans. Not crazy about Hillary, but see Trump as the disaster that he is.
You obviously have a 'smidgen' of morality in my book. (That's meant to be an ironic toss to rick.)
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 24, 2016 - 06:12pm PT
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Hillary has a lifetime of public service.
You're being sarcastic. Right?
Or there's some pun there that I'm missing. A play on words?
You can't be serious. What she's spent her life doing is called "service" these days? LOL
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jun 24, 2016 - 06:18pm PT
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Jun 24, 2016 - 06:21pm PT
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The English certainly have a way with the English language :-)
Curt
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 24, 2016 - 06:34pm PT
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Ready for Donald ? Thread
Kannst du mich jetzt hören
To the best of the photographer's perception no sexual acts were performed in the recording of this historical event.
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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Jun 24, 2016 - 10:28pm PT
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...still derpin'
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Jun 24, 2016 - 11:47pm PT
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the choice continues to be a simple one...
a. a reactionary person who offers:
i. no specifics on how to solve the problems that we in the imperial west face
ii. who generally blames those same problems on some combination of internal and external minority groups [basically everybody except the internal to country, in general middle aged white men that have in actuality generally caused them]
iii. and so bases the entirety of their platform on patriotic nationalism ["make america great again"] and the appeal to an unquestionable authority ["i donald trump am the greatest, i don't need advisors, trust me i have the answers, etc. and etc."] ie. a campaign based on the two consistent commonalities underlying all fascism.
or
b. a stay the course person who offers:
i. continued war mongering [please watch her speech to aipac, her response to the death of qadaffi and her stance on syria as starters]
ii. a continuation ["Bill will be in charge of fixing the economy"] of the type of thinking and failed economic policies that her husband continued and that were in part to blame for the economic collapse of the latter oughts [Glass-Steagall and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act] and the continuation of the very richer continuing to get very richer while the working and middle class continue to get fewer and fewer of the continued gains in productivity.
iii. the continuation of blatantly disingenuous and even dog whistle politics [please look back to her campaign against barack and her comments about the "super predators" during the b.c. era]
iv. an impossible to parse stance on private prisons that has her taking hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from them, while claiming [after bernie pushed the issue] that she will get rid of them.
v. a "public servant" who, in combination with her "public servant" husband, has made literally hundreds of millions while primarily having a career in governance and which includes, in contravention of any common sense approach to conflict of interest, the taking of millions of dollars in "speaking" fees [in quarter of a million dollar allotments for two to three hour engagements].
or more simply put, a choice between:
a. reaping the rewards of decades of a combination of mass media that is more interested in profits than truth and a political establishment that is more interested in continued personal profits and expansion of bureacracy while protecting their campaign contributing fellow elites, than in either justice or the protection of the freedoms that they were established to protect.
or
b. a postponement of reaping the rewards of the decades outlined in a., by electing someone who promises more of the same, virtually guaranteeing that after her time in power, there will be, barring her turning out to be a secret progressive, the guarantee of an even more insane but cunning demagogue than trump. [in the same way that the rise of palin, without the addressing of the underlying roots of palin, guaranteed the rise of trump]
or most simply, the choice between:
a. fire.
or
b. frying pan.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jun 25, 2016 - 12:00am PT
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or more simply put, a choice between
A. A woman president.
or
B. Our last president
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 25, 2016 - 06:35am PT
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Am the only one that finds it interesting that some of the politards on here claim to be outraged that Drumph made fun of a handicapped person, then turn around and imply that Klimmer is impaired, then proceed to make fun of him.
Typical liberal mindset, do as I say, not as I do. No wonder you people adore Hillary.
Eventually Craig Fry will show his ass again and we will see the liberal hypocrisy in all its glory...
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 25, 2016 - 07:25am PT
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The Guardian
Trump Lies
Business
“I started off in Brooklyn, New York, not long ago, with a small loan, and built a business which today is worth well over $10bn.” – 22 June, New York City
In 1978 his father gave him a loan totaling almost $1m – about $3.7m today – and acted as guarantor for the young Trump’s early projects. A 1981 report by a New Jersey regulator also shows a $7.5m loan from the patriarch, and years later he bought $3.5m in gambling chips to help his son pay off the debts of a failing casino, which was found to have broken the law by accepting them. Trump also borrowed millions against his inheritance before his father’s death, a 2007 deposition shows.
Trump has not proven that he is worth $10bn, though his tax returns, which he has refused to release, could provide a clearer picture of his worth. His financial filings suggest he has less than $250m in liquid assets, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis. Trump has a history of overstating his properties: he has, for instance, told the FEC that a New York golf club is worth $50m but also argued in court that it is worth only $1.4m.
“[Hillary Clinton’s] invasion of Libya handed the country over to Isis, the barbarians.” – 22 June, New York City
The US did not invade Libya in 2011, though Clinton supported Nato airstrikes in support of rebels opposed to dictator Muammar Gaddafi. Isis is one of the groups involved in the civil war that has followed Gaddafi’s overthrow and death. In 2011, Trump also supported strikes, and spoke about his desire to remove Gaddafi in a video found by BuzzFeed: “We should go in, we should stop this guy, which would be very easy and very quick. We could do it surgically, stop him from doing it, and save these lives.”
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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Jun 25, 2016 - 08:37am PT
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the derp for today....Derp!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 25, 2016 - 09:01am PT
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"Am the only one"
Yes, you are the only one.
BTW:
'Am I the only one...'
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kattz
climber
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Jun 25, 2016 - 09:30am PT
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Good decision, England! People are starting to wake up to the fact that the hordes of invaders would destroy their country and would turn it into impoverished, overcrowded, filthy zoo. Bye bye Merkel and the whole traitorous Brussels gang. Let's see how they'll try to tell Hungary to open the borders to migrants again or try to force their "quotas", now....
Londonistan is full of traitors who do not care for the interests of England, so perhaps within 10 years we'll see army working there/bringing it back to being London. Good thing England is on the island, they should get army involved at the tunnel now.
Americans will wake up too, but it'll be too late, probably.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jun 25, 2016 - 10:37am PT
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+1 kattz
apogee your mother just called and said she needed to tie your shoes before you go out and play..
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 25, 2016 - 10:41am PT
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"Portentous and meaningful stat: 66% people who left school at 16 voted for Leave. 71% of those with university degrees voted to Remain."
Go England, nice.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 25, 2016 - 11:07am PT
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Our great country was built by new immigrants. There have always been anti-immigrant sentiment, be it the chinese, japanese, irish, German or whoever. Unlike Europe, it is much easier for an immigrant to assimilate here. This made America great. We do not need to be like europe.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jun 25, 2016 - 11:25am PT
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Good decision, England! People are starting to wake up to the fact that the hordes of invaders would destroy their country and would turn it into impoverished, overcrowded, filthy zoo. Bye bye Merkel and the whole traitorous Brussels gang. Let's see how they'll try to tell Hungary to open the borders to migrants again or try to force their "quotas", now....
Londonistan is full of traitors who do not care for the interests of England, so perhaps within 10 years we'll see army working there/bringing it back to being London. Good thing England is on the island, they should get army involved at the tunnel now.
Americans will wake up too, but it'll be too late, probably.
Or as the flyers stuffed in people's letter boxes put it:
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