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Mountain climber
Malibu
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Nov 30, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
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Agreed. I was a bit surprised to find that the orbits of our solar system are chaotic, at time scales much beyond our observations. I thought celestial mechanics the height of predictability. (Some time ago I guess I'd heard the 3-body problem called "insoluble".)
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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You shouldn't try to grasp Bruce, the realities will be forever beyond you. This isn't because of lack of intelligence, deficit of mathematics, or not having years of training. The reason you'll never be able to grasp the reality of climate science is because you cower behind an ideology, deferring your own thought processes to the interpretation of the "Climatism Scientists/Priests". This is to spare yourself the naked reality of this sham with the resultant upending to your narrow minded, apocalyptic,delusional worldview.You are quite different from Ed who, i believe, is well aware of the failings of the overuse of anthro driven CO2 emissions as the overwhelming agent of the recent historically typical climate change, and fears full exposure of the truth because of the taint, disrepute, and reduction of funding to science, including possibly his own discipline, that he has spent the majority of his life practicing.
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raymond phule
climber
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You shouldn't try to grasp Bruce, the realities will be forever beyond you. This isn't because of lack of intelligence, deficit of mathematics, or not having years of training. The reason you'll never be able to grasp the reality of science is because you cower behind an ideology, deferring your own thought processes to the interpretation of the "Climatism Scientists/Priests". This is to spare yourself the naked reality of this sham with the resultant upending to your narrow minded, apocalyptic,delusional worldview.You are quite different from Ed who, i believe, is well aware of the failings of the overuse of anthro driven CO2 emissions as the overwhelming agent of the recent historically typical climate change, and fears full exposure of the truth because of the taint, disrepute, and reduction of funding to science, including possibly his own discipline, that he has spent the majority of his life practicing.
Haha, the irony!
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
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Water water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
The region accounts for five percent of the world’s more than seven billion people, and 10 percent of its area, but accounts for less than one percent of global water resources.
Its share of annual renewable water resources is also less than one percent, and it receives only 2.1 percent of average annual global precipitation.
Over 87 percent of the region’s terrain is desert and 14 of the world’s 20 most water-stressed countries are in this region, the study notes.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
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It's gonna get hot, dry and totally out of control.
The Chief, your reading comprehension really is that of a third-grader, isn't it?
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dirtbag
climber
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Wow, that's deep Chief Midget Moobs.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
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man, Hedge gets the boot but the vile The Chief is still here?
That's too bad.
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dirtbag
climber
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^^^^^^^^^ dumbass... ^^^^^^^^
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Bruce, instead of your continuous psycho babble interpretations of others motives and makeup, which by the way does more to expose your delusional worldview than those you target,perhaps you can begin to educate yourself so you can effectively participate in this ongoing argument. Below is a suitable starting point for the likes of a admitted progressive from communist B.C. suffering from self imposed ignorance.
http://www.newport.com/Introduction-to Solar-Radiation/411919/1033/content.aspx
And after you are done with the intro above please comment on the linked article below discussing the failings of climate modeling in relation to wrong assumptions about positive feedback versus radiation reflectivity of increased cloudiness. Though this discusses decreased temps during increased cloudiness in England it is interesting to note that during the solar max in the late 20th century satellites measured a marked decrease in global cloud cover during the period of most rapid temp increases.
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/234837_0_merged_1377705028.pdf
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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You hit the nail on the head Bruce. This aint rocket science. The whole field of CC has been manipulated by pols for their ends, using basic psychology to instill the fear of their god in masses of delusional followers like yourself.If you could break free of the ideology to rip the curtains back i'm sure you would see the same midgets manipulating machinery that The Chief, I and the majority of the waking masses of humanity see. Perhaps you should start with the same psychology analyses', directed at yourself instead of others that the "Climatismista's" have told you through their blogs are effective on us. You got a few brains in that gourd, use them, think outside of the little box they have you in. Educate yourself.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2013 - 10:00am PT
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The Chief brandishes his dim wit like a badge:
Just another example of how this AGW bullshet is all based on nothing more than pure ideology.
I say The Chief can't comprehend what he reads, that he's as abrasive as hedge, and this is what he comes up with. What I said had nothing to do with AWG, but there you go.
Keep at it The Chief, there's still room to prove you're more clueless than we previously thought. Unbelievable as that may seem.
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raymond phule
climber
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People like myself just do not have time to contemplate your AGW futuristic fear mongering dogma/ideology.
We got shet to do. Like live our lives.
How do the fact that you have posted thousands of posts on this thread fit into that?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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You Fortmental should try doing so. Living in the NOW instead of in the future and claiming you can control the future.
Live each day like it's your last. Plan like you'll live forever.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Well Bruce, i reached out one last time to see if you could open your narrow, delusional mind and just possibly get a grip on something resembling reality. You failed just as spectacularly as the models of the climate scientism church wackos. Babble on brother, i don't give a flying fk about your amateur psychology. Nobody's paying attention.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2013 - 10:54am PT
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WASHINGTON -- Climatic changes -- and the results of those changes -- could occur within decades or even sooner, and they are becoming a greater concern for scientists, according to a new paper from the National Academy of Sciences.
The Chief, Rick, Ron, anybody... Can you tell me why you think the National Academy of Sciences is lying?
If you say it's for the money, you need to show the paper trail of the money they're making--you know, back up your claim.
Can anybody make a reasonable argument here, and not just utter a bunch of jibberish?
Simple question, you should have a simple answer.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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"Abrupt climate change" became a thing, on my radar at least, in the late 1990s as papers came out of the GISP2 Greenland ice core project. GISP2 data showed clearly that fast, dramatic climate changes have occurred in the not-to-distant past, building a picture of climate as sleeping dragon. That inspired a lot of research on why such abrupt changes could happen. Thermohaline shutdown (e.g., the Gulf Stream) became a favored hypothesis, and I think that's still current -- but modern conditions, the modelers say, are unlikely to reproduce that very soon.
Nor does the NAS panel favor the "methane gun" hypothesis, another doomsday mechanism that has gotten some play in the press, and investigation by science. So while the NAS team is reassuring on those two scenarios, they note other problems that now look (to them) more capable of bringing things down fast.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jim White introduces the NAS Abrupt Change report with this homey note.
Can all tipping points be foreseen? Probably not. Some will have no precursors, or may be triggered by naturally occurring variability in the climate system. Some will be difficult to detect, clearly visible only after they have been crossed and an abrupt change becomes inevitable. Imagine an early European explorer in North America, paddling a canoe on the swift river. This river happens to be named Niagara, but the paddler does not know that. As the paddler approaches the Falls, the roar of the water goes from faint to alarming, and the paddler desperately tries to make for shore. But the water is too swift, the tipping point has already been crossed, and the canoe—with the paddler—goes over the Falls. This tipping point is certainly hard to anticipate, but is it inevitable? No. The tipping point in this case could have been detected by an early warning system (listening for the roar of a waterfall), but importantly, prudence was required. Sticking closer to shore, in other words taking some prudent precautions, could have saved the paddler. Precaution will help us today as well as we face a changing climate, if we are prudent enough to exercise it. Key to this is the need to be watching and listening for the early warning signals.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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In table form (S.1), the NAS report outlines the "state of knowledge on potential candidate processes that might undergo abrupt change. These include both abrupt climate changes in the physical climate system and abrupt climate impacts of ongoing changes that, when certain thresholds are crossed, can cause abrupt impacts for society and ecosystems."
Among these, two processes are singled out as having highest potential for abrupt change in this century:
Late-summer disappearance of Arctic sea ice
• Large and irreversible effects on various components of the Arctic ecosystem
• Impacts on human society and economic development in coastal polar regions
• Implications for Arctic shipping and resource extraction
• Potential to alter large-scale atmospheric circulation and its variability
Increases in extinctions of marine and terrestrial species
• Loss of high percentage of coral reef ecosystems (already underway)
• Significant percentage of land mammal, bird, and amphibian species extinct or endangered
This last point strikes me as particularly salient because, as the report notes, many species face combined pressure from "other extinction drivers" besides climate -- overfishing and marine pollution, deforestation, soil degradation and so forth. Jellyfish for dinner!
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