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monolith
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SF bay area
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Nov 26, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
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Were we talking about tornadoes on this page?
BTW, there have been some very devastating tornadoes in the US this year and last.
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monolith
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SF bay area
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Nov 26, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
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Sorry Sketch, I only look at your propoganda graphs.
Were there any extreme tornadoe events in the US this year, Sketch?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Nov 26, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
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Chuff, you didn't mention that Mt Charleston just got 2' of snow and the drought is now officially over
Does this look like two inches to your Brewsky?
Ian Faith: Nigel gave me a drawing that said 18 inches. Now, whether or not he knows the difference between feet and inches is not my problem. I do what I'm told.
David St. Hubbins: But you're not as confused as him are you. I mean, it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel.
I like how extreme cold weather events are evidence that climate change is NOT happening. LOL!
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monolith
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SF bay area
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Nov 26, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
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Sorry Sketch, you and the Chief do tend to blend in.
Anyway, did we have any extreme tornado events in the US this year?
You seem to want to talk about tornadoes now.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 26, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
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That's it Sketch? I'll give you a clue, Sketch.
mmmmmmmmmoore
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 26, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
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I guess Sketch doesn't want to talk about tornadoes any moore. (moore, get it Sketch?)
So again, Sketch, tell us how a single year breaks a 34 year trend?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Nov 26, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
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Was that you,....skiing?
Wow ........It is still 35f
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 26, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
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What the hell does Muller, a publicity seeking physicist, no about climate science? I hear that actual climatologists have refused co-authorship on publications after their BEST project lead him to hype false conclusions. As far as physicists goes, i'd put my money on the opinion of Dyson, who has actual irrefutable accomplishment than on a character who's mired in controversy.
You guys are shameless. After lecturing us about weather events not constituting "climate" you promptly grab ahold of a twister here and a hurricane there to advance your agenda. This tactic shows the desperation in the utopian community. Give it up losers, the earth continues to turn and the populace ignores your too often repeated wolf howls.
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raw
Mountain climber
Malibu
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Nov 27, 2013 - 12:05am PT
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What does Dyson know? Well, at a minimum, he's done some research in the subject....
"Dyson: I think the difference between me and most of the experts is that I think I have a much wider view of the whole subject. I was involved in climate studies seriously about 30 years ago. That’s how I got interested. There was an outfit called the Institute for Energy Analysis at Oak Ridge. I visited Oak Ridge many times, and worked with those people, and I thought they were excellent. And the beauty of it was that it was multi-disciplinary. There were experts not just on hydrodynamics of the atmosphere, which of course is important, but also experts on vegetation, on soil, on trees, and so it was sort of half biological and half physics. And I felt that was a very good balance."
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Nov 27, 2013 - 06:20am PT
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"Gotta go where the money is"
Cognitive dissonance at it's finest right there.
If that were the case,would not all of the Denier/HA/scientists have jumped ship.
Since being about money is better than half of their ideology.
6 inches of snow,32f,right now.[huge storm]HA.
Look at you,you piece of Chef,SKIING.
Maybe there is hope for you yet.HA.
And ,oh,to compare a weather event like this "storm" to something like the Haiyan typhoon ,[where how many people died?]is just absurd.
The only people getting hurt out of this are those Virginia/Jersey drivers that do not know how to drive in 6 inches of snow.
Making my way up to Vermont today.
Mad River Glen,Ski it if You Can.
I Can.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 27, 2013 - 09:41am PT
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So how long has the current increase in sea ice anomaly been going on Sketch?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 27, 2013 - 10:03am PT
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Did you know the global sea ice anomaly has been increasing?
So how long has it been increasing, Sketch?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 27, 2013 - 10:17am PT
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My god Ed, you have to reach 37 years into the past to dredge up Dyson's initial ponderings on this subject and hold it up as representative of his current opinion and extent of knowledge? Don't you believe in evolution of thought and theory, or debunking of such, through continuing education.
As far as i can tell, Muller's conversion was largely a result of the smell of fame and fortune. It seem's it flopped however as a result of the fellow researchers dust up over trying to put their names on a conclusion that they did not see.
I'll read his op-ed and see if i really like it, though i fear it is a waste of time. Well i read it and yes it is well known that tornados result more often from the mixing of air masses, i.e. the jet stream dips from the arctic mixing cold high density air with the warm moist air from the gulf.It would make sense if the temperature gradient between the arctic and gulf was decreasing and the consequent decrease in quantity and severity of twisters. But, since the albedo in the arctic is changing, and the ocean oscillations that cause cyclical arctic warming are either in or going into negative phase, and we are entering into a prolonged phase of reduced solar output across the full spectrum of its effects, it is unlikely that the arctic is warming any longer, other than small regions. Refer to the study of the decreasing temps throughout AK for validation and the severe winters in high lattitude Europe and parts of Asia, also look at the historically long winter of 2013 and generally cold temps this last summer throughout the arctic. Perhaps tornado severity and quantity could be effected by climate change, but climate change solely as the result of man is not happening.
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raymond phule
climber
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Nov 27, 2013 - 10:18am PT
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Has someone manage to have a discussion with sketch on any topic?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2013 - 10:24am PT
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What matter's is you felt compelled to scold me for my sub-par contributions.
No Sketch, no.
I felt compelled to scold you because you make claims that you know nothing about, then when asked to stand your ground by showing us how you arrived at those claims you fold like a glove-compartment map.
You want me to back up my insane claim??
Runn !!!
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 27, 2013 - 10:29am PT
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I say global sea ice anomaly trend has been declining for 34 years, Sketch?
Is that a stupid statement from me, Sketch?
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raymond phule
climber
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Nov 27, 2013 - 10:34am PT
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You have me confused with Mono and Raymond Fool.
Haha
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2013 - 10:49am PT
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For well over 1000 years the Roman Catholic Church dictated that JC was God and that any manner of salvation in the after life was through believing in him and the RC Church. ...
That was the 100% CONSENSUS of the rule amongst 100's of millions of humans for a long ass time.
This CAGW issue is no different. Not one bit. To say that it is complete ego based BS!
 The Chief
The Chief claims that beliefs forced by religious dogma are no different that the conclusions reached by peer-reviewed scientific-method research.
Yet he still tries to convince us that his blog-fed pseudo science trumps an international panel climate experts.
Time to pack it up The Chief.
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