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raymond phule
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Nov 23, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
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Just because you claim to explained yourself, that doesn't make it true.
I am pretty sure that everyone on this thread with any knowledge about how to analyze data have seen and hopefully understood my explanations. That you on the other hand can't manage to understand really easy concept like variability, mean and trends and why more than two data points should be used in an analysis are your problems and not mine.
I gave another explanation in my last post. If you cant understand it, please ask questions instead of just attacking me.
You seem most interested in creating and milking drama out of minor dustups.
Or maybe that I am getting tired of reading the same incorrect and dishonest arguments over and over again.
I guess that you would be considered a little more intelligent and more knowledgeable if you actually could at least sometimes admit that you where wrong instead of continuing with an endless stream of idiotic posts.
But I guess that is one of the most common trait of people like you, the chief, rick and many many similar people on the internet. You are not able to admit that you are or can be wrong about anything.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 23, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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It is much more serious than we imagined people. Trenberths missing heat is sinking right through the deep blue and heating the core of the planet. We're all doomed-see link below.
http://nujournal.net/core.pdf
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Nov 23, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
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HAHAHAHAHAJAHAHAHA.
I am smoking a lot of weed today.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 23, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
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We'll wait for Ed's expert appraisal Bruce.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Nov 23, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
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What ,putting up all that drive it does not qualify you suddenly?
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 23, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
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Clearly, you take that article seriously enough to post a link Rick.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 23, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
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You don't find this stellar example of CAGW science serious Mchale? We're sitting on a nuclear time bomb. All is lost. It's just like the CAGW proponents always told us.
Wilbeer, you are smoking a lot of hooch there. Your last post is not decipherable buddy.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 23, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
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Your the one smokin hooch Rick!! Rick, that piece was written exactly for people like you. You probably don't see why, but that you even posted it is very telling.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 23, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
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Rick, implying that the piece was written by the AGW side just shows how gullible you are.
That piece you posted is a good example of double back-flip / reverse-twist propaganda. I'm glad you got a kick out of it.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 23, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
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There were lots of lawsuits over Dryvit all over the eastern U.S. about ten years ago Wilbeer. That greenhouse gas H2O was hitting the dew point just beneath the exterior insulation and with the improper air barrier was rotting structures up and down the eastern seaboard. Tyvek has a crenulated paper that largely solved that problem but the liability insurance companies still charge an extra premium if a contractor uses the Dryvit system.
Mchale, other than ending with a big bang, that piece is no more incredible than a large proportion of the CAGW drivel.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Nov 23, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
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Good Answer,Rick.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 23, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
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The rigid r-20 foam will keep the rotten studs intact as you suffer through mold induced maladies inside your little slice of conex heaven Bruce. Seriously dude, you have a cold regions laboratory of subarctic building science in canuckland-visit it. I believe you'll find the one third, two thirds rule for starters. You are talking reverse of that rule. Better keep the door open and heat with coal.
Now here is a question for you. Code now requires us to install an exterior air barrier such as tyvek outside the insulated wall as well as an interior vapor barrier sealed with blackdeath and taped seams. Do you see anything wrong with this?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 23, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
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Flinging feces all day Ed? I think not. I was tiling all day, a floor and two shower stalls. You don't appreciate the humor, i get it. What did you climb?
Bruce it's going to hit the dew point inside the steel if you have two thirds the insulation exterior. Any vapors as a consequence of habitation ( humans who are 70% water exhale vapor, perspire, use water, cook, etc.) is going to find its way through your vapor barrier, unless it is absolutely air tight, condense on the steel and migrate under the wall into your living space as well as rot the studs that are secured upright by the rigidity of spray in foam insulation. Alternately, if your vapor barrier is somehow completely airtight you'll be swimming in your own perspiration, resperated vapor, etc. while you suffer from fungi outbreaks. Better mechanically ventilate. Now my question?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Nov 24, 2013 - 07:48am PT
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Now here is a question for you. Code now requires us to install an exterior air barrier such as tyvek outside the insulated wall as well as an interior vapor barrier sealed with blackdeath and taped seams. Do you see anything wrong with this?
While I cant believe it,But I do agree with you Rick.
Do you also realize that Tyvek is really not a Vapor Barrier.In as much it is breathable[about as much as Gore Tex].
Bruce,while the polyisocyanurate[spray foam],or others,mostly urathane based are supposed to be a vapor barrier,I,for one ,want to see more evidence of this.
It is becoming common place in our area .I am still not sold on the system.
We can wait a few years ,and when I have a remodel ,we will see the results of their use.
I fixed a roof this summer at a friends house,it was leaking pretty bad.
The house was a timberframe with stress skin panels.
The original builder used no tar paper or underlayment whatsoever,claiming one vapor barrier was enough.
It really cracked me up.
While,tar paper may be a VB,It serves an important role as a water resistant underlayment.Especially when shingles are to be used.
Ed,I am sure it was nice in the valley yesterday,Here it snowed finally, all day,while I was working on a basement remodel.
Today I ski.Cheers.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 24, 2013 - 08:02am PT
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Rooftopguard is far superior to tar paper.
And, it's cold out this morning. Global warming, my ass.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Nov 24, 2013 - 08:14am PT
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Any underlayment is better than none.
What are you going to do when winter gets here?
HA.Brandon.
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raymond phule
climber
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Nov 24, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
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You prattle on about explaining yourself, even though you didn't.
Ok, I copy of paste some of my explanations I have given in our "discussion".
"In short, data analysis on variable/noisy data is not done by comparing two data points but is done by first trying to get rid of the variability with some method so that it is possibly to compare the underlying signal."
"All people that know how to interpret data would of course also interpret a statement like "Global seaice area is the same size as it was 34 years ago." as being a statement about trends or average and not about two cheery piked data points. Such a statement would thus be considered either dishonest or not true."
"The data show that the trend is decreasing, that the for example 5 year mean from 1979 is higher than the 5 year mean that stops today. So the total sea ice area is decreasing but the variability is large enough such that the level today is higher than the level 1979.
The clue might be that the area at the end of 1979 where below the mean of that period but the area today is above the mean for this period.
Cheery picking two data points for on analysis is really not a good data analysis method."
We could start with discussing what I have written above but I am sure that you are going to run away while screaming insults.
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raymond phule
climber
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Nov 25, 2013 - 01:56am PT
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I never said anything about trends or averages.
I know. That I have been my point the whole time.
You just inferred that's what I meant.
No, I didn't. I actually asked what you meant.
You used that angle to accuse me of being dishonest... and ignorant.
Ok, as I said before. You are not dishonest. You are to ignorant and stupid to be able to be dishonest.
What I said is true. Period. It's not complicated.
Yes, it is true but it is still meaningless and not an answer to what wilbeer wrote.
What I wrote in my first post is obviously still correct
"I see that you still don't understands how to draw conclusions from data. You could try to read about trends, mean and variance."
and it is also clear that you are never going to learn how to draw conclusions from data.
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