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BASE104
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An Oil Field
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Oct 19, 2009 - 06:20pm PT
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I guess that I don't exist either, Werner. But we have chatted a few times. Were you talking to yourself?
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Oct 19, 2009 - 06:45pm PT
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Werner, why must it (Science) be defective? Because we don't have answers to every question? We will not fabricate answers to all of mankind's questions.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 19, 2009 - 06:50pm PT
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Werner, that's called the nervous system. It consists of electrochemical impulses that are integrated in the brain, which is fueled by oxygen. Take away the oxygen and it all stops. The Ayurvedic concept of the bodhi is spot on, as far as it goes, but as soon as the biological process ceases, so does the state of consciouness.
Zen koan: When a candle is extinguished, does the flame go north, south, east or west?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Oct 19, 2009 - 06:56pm PT
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When a candle is extinguished, does the flame go north, south, east or west?
Where does your fist go when you open your hand?
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 19, 2009 - 06:59pm PT
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Real science, is to find out the original source.
They think this body is the only gain.
That science may help how to eat, how to sleep, how to have sex. That's all.
And that is being done by the animals. It doesn't require any advanced scientific knowledge.
And beyond this body there is another gain. That is not known. They do not even know .
That is the defect of their so called modern civilization.
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Oct 19, 2009 - 07:00pm PT
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Werner, you have science confused with philosophy.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 19, 2009 - 07:10pm PT
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Nope.
You have it confused.
The science is not limited to limits.
Science encompasses everything.
Knowledge, as of facts or principles, knowledge gained by systematic study.
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Oct 19, 2009 - 07:26pm PT
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Werner, you are the reason this thread exists. Scientist know the boundaries of their discipline, but creationist do not. There is a fundamental misconception that many people have about what science is and is not.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 19, 2009 - 07:35pm PT
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Material science has moved into the destructive realm of gross materialism.
Science encompasses everything.
You do not make the rules.
Even the materialist must submit to the superior power of Material Nature.
Science: Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Oct 19, 2009 - 07:38pm PT
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Science does have a hard and fast rule and that is, if a hypothesis cannot be tested, it is outside of science.
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Oct 19, 2009 - 07:59pm PT
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I don't let non-scientists define my discipline for me. Good day sir!
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 19, 2009 - 08:05pm PT
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"Of the gods we believe, and of men we know, that by a necessary law of their nature they rule wherever they can." - Thucydides
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 19, 2009 - 08:09pm PT
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The scientist can not explain anything fully.
Therefore their complete knowledge is still zero.
What good is this so called science? Just to glorify a coat (the material body) that covers the real person.
Learning the Science of the Self is science. You have failed your understanding of science.
You have taken science for yourself and put it into a box that you would like to control.
You have failed .......
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Oct 19, 2009 - 08:15pm PT
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I now turn this discussion over to Norton, now that I have the savage tribes suitably riled up.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 19, 2009 - 08:33pm PT
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And the greatest fear today is that religious whackjobs don't get hold of those weapons. That's pretty ironic.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Oct 19, 2009 - 08:42pm PT
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So, Werner, what suggestions would you make to scientists? Take someone like Ed Hartouni. Should he give up physics and learn another trade?
But wait. If I understand you correctly -- and I'm open to correction if I don't -- what you're saying is science is useless because it deals only with things of the body. But in that case, what about plumbing? Or car repair? Or growing food? All these endeavors deal only with things of the body. Should we stop bothering with food because our bodies are not worth feeding? Why do you go up on El Cap in horrible weather to save climbers if their material bodies are irrelevant?
I really don't understand where you're going with this. It seems you have a very material focus with your work -- which is totally focused on saving bodies -- but huge disrespect for scientists because their work is focused only on helping the body.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 19, 2009 - 08:53pm PT
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Oh they can't deny. It's impossible.
Can't be done. Every breath "prana" is his source.
They are rascals trying to shove their theories down everyone's throat.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2009 - 08:56pm PT
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"THOU SHALT HAVE MANY GODS, AS MANY AS YOU WANT, WHATEVER MAKES CRAGMAN HAPPY"
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 19, 2009 - 08:59pm PT
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That's an odd one, eh? Other Gods? I thought he was the only one... and yet he admits he's not, but he's a jealous little crybaby about it.
Check out the Gnostic gospels for a whole different take on precious little Yahweh and what he was really all about.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2009 - 09:02pm PT
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Oh, I'm fine Cragman, it's the Santa, Easter Bunny, and guy in the sky
people who should be worried about themselves.
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