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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2014 - 06:21am PT
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We need some intelligence on our enemies.
But I'm beginning to think Dingus is right. Blow it up completely, then reassemble what you need. They are dangerously rogue.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2014 - 06:27am PT
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And btw, McCain deserves kudos for speaking out against this sh#t.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2014 - 07:33am PT
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Spies Like Us
Russia has some a-ok spies too.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2014 - 07:37am PT
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Oh, ok Werner.
I think that is the only time I've said anything positive about McCain.
But when he does the right thing, he should be given credit.
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WBraun
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Dec 10, 2014 - 07:39am PT
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McCain shouldn't be given any credit dirtbag.
He's such a traitor, coward and slime ball who'll fuk anyone over.
He's a despicable aszhole ......
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 10, 2014 - 07:40am PT
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"Wink, wink, nudge, nudge... say no more."
Run, Sarah, RUN!!!
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Dec 10, 2014 - 07:41am PT
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libs' moral relativism:
murder 3000 innocent people just trying to make a living or visit grandma, chop off people's heads (including infants), crucify "infidels", mutilate womens' genitals, hang homosexuals?
just opportunities for libs to demonstrate their "tolerance"
splash some water on the murderers, beheaders, crucifiers, mutilators, executioners?
evuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhl!!!
winston smith is dead
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2014 - 07:44am PT
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Then you do it, bookworm.
You "splash" yourself with water.
Didn't think so.
But ethics of torture aside, Bookworm...
Are you ok with an agency lying about violations to two branches of government?
Including your man, Bush?
That is the very definition of rogue, and how lawless police states get away with awful sh#t.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 10, 2014 - 07:45am PT
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Sarah as POTUS....
Hmmm...
That would make her the very first POTUS-ILF...
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Skeptimistic
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La Mancha
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Dec 10, 2014 - 08:01am PT
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Per bookie:
yeah, those towel-heads with their unfounded outrage at the loss of tens of thousands of innocents (including women, children & babies) because they just happened to be in close proximity to our "smart bombs" should just shut up & greet us as the liberators we think we are.
We sure as hell don't have any wild-eyed religious zealots in this country trying to force their agenda on the public through threats & acts of violence...
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2014 - 08:44am PT
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POTUS-ILF
Lol!
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Larry Nelson
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Dec 10, 2014 - 09:14am PT
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WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Former Vice-President Dick Cheney on Tuesday called upon the nations of the world to “once and for all ban the despicable and heinous practice of publishing torture reports.”
“Like many Americans, I was shocked and disgusted by the Senate Intelligence Committee’s publication of a torture report today,” Cheney said in a prepared statement. “The transparency and honesty found in this report represent a gross violation of our nation’s values.”
“The publication of torture reports is a crime against all of us,” he added. “Not just those of us who have tortured in the past, but every one of us who might want to torture in the future.”
Saying that the Senate’s “horrifying publication” had inspired him to act, he vowed, “As long as I have air to breathe, I will do everything in my power to wipe out the scourge of torture reports from the face of the Earth.”
Cheney concluded his statement by calling for an international conference on the issue of torture reports. “I ask all the great nations of the world to stand up, expose the horrible practice of publishing torture reports, and say, ‘This is not who we are,’ ” Cheney said.
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/cheney-calls-international-ban-torture-reports
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Dec 10, 2014 - 09:27am PT
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I regret having to write a piece that is critical of the Democratic members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Most of them are former colleagues and friends. I hope they will remain friends after reading this.
For eight years I served on this committee. I know how difficult and important the work of providing tough and fair oversight of our nation's $50 billion top-secret intelligence network.
I will wait until I have fully read and considered Tuesday's report to enter the debate over whether the CIA handled interrogation of detainees in an appropriate manner. Thanks to the 2005 and 2006 efforts of Senator John McCain I do not have to wait to be certain our interrogation policies and procedures are aligned with our core values.
I also do not have to wait to know we are fighting a war that is different than any in our country's past. The enemy does not have an easy to identify and analyze military. In the war against global jihadism, human intelligence and interrogation have become more important, and I worry that the partisan nature of this report could make this kind of collection more difficult.
I do not need to read the report to know that the Democratic staff alone wrote it. The Republicans checked out early when they determined that their counterparts started out with the premise that the CIA was guilty and then worked to prove it.
When Congress created the intelligence committees in the 1970's, the purpose was for people's representatives to stand above the fray and render balanced judgments about this most sensitive aspect of national security. This committee departed from that high road and slipped into the same partisan mode that marks most of what happens on Capitol Hill these days.
I have participated in two extensive investigations into intelligence failures, once when Aldrich Ames was discovered to be spying for Russia after he had done substantial damage to our human intelligence collection capability and another following the 9/11 attacks. In both cases we were very critical of the practices of the intelligence agencies. In both cases we avoided partisan pressure to blame the opposing party. In both cases Congress made statutory changes and the agencies changed their policies. It didn't make things perfect, but it did make them better.
In both of these efforts the committee staff examined documents and interviewed all of the individuals involved. The Senate's Intelligence Committee staff chose to interview no one. Their rationale - that some officers were under investigation and could not be made available – is not persuasive. Most officers were never under investigation and for those who were, the process ended by 2012.
Fairness should dictate that the examination of documents alone do not eliminate the need for interviews conducted by the investigators. Isolated emails, memos and transcripts can look much different when there is no context or perspective provided by those who sent, received or recorded them.
It is important for all of us to remember how unprepared we were for the attacks of September 11, 2001 and how unprepared we were to do the things necessary to keep the country from being attacked again. There was no operating manual to guide the choices and decisions made by the men and women in charge of protecting us. I will continue to read the report to learn of the mistakes we apparently made. I do not need to read the report in full to know this: We have not been attacked since and for that I am very grateful.
It is important for all of us to not let Congress dodge responsibility. Congressional oversight of intelligence is notoriously weak. The 9/11 Commission recommended a number of changes in the authorities of Congressional committees but the proposal – advanced by Senator McCain – did not come close to gathering a majority of votes in either the Senate or the House.
The worse consequence of a partisan report can be seen in this disturbing fact: It contains no recommendations. This is perhaps the most significant missed opportunity, because no one would claim the program was perfect or without its problems. But equally, no one with real experience would claim it was the completely ineffective and superfluous effort this report alleges.
Our intelligence personnel – who are once again on the front lines fighting the Islamic State – need recommended guidance from their board of governors: The U.S. Congress. Remarkably this report contains none. I hope – for the sake of our security and our values – Congress will follow the leadership of Senator McCain and give them this guidance.
Bob Kerrey, former governor of Nebraska and U.S. senator, is now the managing director of Allen and Company.
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Dec 10, 2014 - 10:50am PT
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speaking of the jv team:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/broadening-the-war-against-isis/383588/
btw, can one of you libs explain why it's ok for barry to assassinate an american citizen (and kill his 16-year-old son) without formal charges, without an indictment, without a trial, and without a conviction but it's not ok for the cia, with CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT, to slap around the guy who admitted he planned the murder of 3000 innocent people?
and by "explain" i don't mean, "because barry"
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John M
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Dec 10, 2014 - 11:07am PT
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http://news.yahoo.com/ex-cia-operative-says-prison-punishment-whistleblowing-torture-183259797--abc-news-topstories.html
http://abcnews.go.com/International/cia-operative-prison-punishment-whistleblowing-torture/story?id=27474359
I"m not saying the Dems weren't complicit to some degree, but congress and the public were lied to about how much torture was happening. Those reports Bookworm lists of who knew about torture being used don't say how much torture. Its one thing to say we tortured ( splashed ) a prime suspect for 35 seconds and he fully spilled the beans on 34 projects, and another to reveal just how much torture was happening. Its all in how you spin it and what facts you leave out. And what out right lies you tell.
For instance, he told ABC News that al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah broke after being water boarded once for less than 35 seconds and began answering “every question” the next day. “The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks," Kiriakou said.
But later it was revealed Kiriakou was wrong and Zubaydah had been waterboarded 83 times, according to CIA documents released in 2009. Kiriakou later said in a book that the number of waterboarding sessions “rais[ed] questions about how much useful information he actually supplied.”
I can't believe this guy is in jail and the Cheneys of the world walk free
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John M
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Dec 10, 2014 - 11:20am PT
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But its just splashing Dingus..
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