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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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lg- forgot the Deli effect
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Brandon-
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The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2011 - 02:58pm PT
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BES1'st, merely an interjection, not pertaining to your conversation.
Carry on.
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monolith
climber
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Also he left videos of himself watching himself on TV. Yet when Obama comes on the TV he is ssid to have clicked to another channel. Can't take Obama. Obama evil from OBL point of view
Truthers get their panties in a wad over the dumbest, silliest, crap.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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seriously klimmer,
if this country is as f*#ked as you say it is, why do u hang around? why dont you get your ass out of here to some other place?
i know why. first you have no balls to do so, and second your such a whack job that many countries would put you behind bars.
isnt america great?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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seriously klimmer,
if this country is as f*#ked as you say it is, why do u hang around? why dont you get your ass out of here to some other place?
i know why. first you have no balls to do so, and second your such a whack job that many countries would put you behind bars.
isnt america great?
HE,
Did you serve? Did you sign-up and take an oath and put on a uniform? Do you love your Country? Last time I looked the Constitution/Bill of Rights say that I can grieve my Country and my government.
Stop tromping out the tired old lame ad hominem attack "Love it or Leave it."
I suppose you would have said the same thing if you were a German citizen living in Germany when other German citizens did speak up and then were shut up and imprisoned.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Well said
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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But, rehashing the Discovery channel as some sort of expert is nutty.
Learn to isolate arguments. Here we are talking OBL, 9-11 and things related. I did not bring History Channel into this argument.
Bible Code, yes I did. Turns out once again it is right, regarding OBL, dying in 2011: "HOAX"
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Seriously, does anyone care what Wolfowitz has to say about anything? Could the man have been any more wrong on Iraq?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Can someone find a photo of a sheep peeing on a fruitcake, please? Preferably a fruitcake full of nuts?
This was the sort of thing that dear Ouch! was good at creating.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Bin Laden’s Neighbour: “None Of This Is True”
Owns the houses on either side. Flat out says not true.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d1f_1304480997
So then, who did we kill? If it wasn't OBL then who are the people we shot up?
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monolith
climber
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Bible Code, yes I did. Turns out once again it is right, regarding OBL, dying in 2011: "HOAX"
Still unable to provide a Bible Code prediction before the event, eh klimmer?
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Gene
climber
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So then, who did we kill? If it wasn't OBL then who are the people we shot up?
Timothy Leary?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Actually, had Klimmer claimed last week or last year that the edoC elbiB "predicted" that bin Laden would eventually be killed by US forces, it would have been a pretty safe bet for him. Too bad he waited to make the claim until after it happened, eh?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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The Bible Codes Exposed
Ever since the best selling book The Bible Code, by Michael Drosnin in 1997, a lot has been written about the Bible codes which seems to indicate that the bible codes are real, but they are not.
The main reason is because they do not take vowels into account. The Hebrew alphabet contains only consonants, the vowels are indicated by markings, usually dots below or next to a letter. How many dots and where they are located indicate the vowel and the pronunciation.
When bible-code searches are done, they ignore the vowel markings, which means that the same series of consonants could represent several different words. They merely add whatever vowels they want to make the words they are looking for. Let's look at examples in the English language; the words "quite" and "quit." They have very different meanings but the only difference is the "e" at the end. Another example is "altar" and "alter." Again, words with very different meaning but the only difference is one little vowel. Or "beer" and "bear." Again, one little vowel changes the word completely.
Which means by inserting whatever vowels you want, you can create any message you want; which is why the bible codes are being used by many people to prove anything they want, such as to prove that Dallas James is the prophet Elijah (bibleprophet.com).
The only way bible codes could be legitimate is if all the vowels were found right along with the consonants, which is not the case.
The books that have been written about the Bible codes will tell you, if you read them carefully, that they do not look for vowels, though they only mention it in passing because they do not what you to realize this point.
The argument the decoders use is that the Torah was not originally written with vowels, probably to save space since it was long and written on leather scrolls. The original scribes could read the Torah without vowels because they knew it so well. It was centuries before vowel markings were added. But none of this changes the fact that the coders insert whatever vowels they want. The vowels are removed or ignored in order to conduct a code search.
There is in fact a growing body of evidence from knowledgable people that shows the codes are false. Guy Cramer reports on his web site that he was originally a believer in the Bible codes until Dr. James Price, Professor of Hebrew and Old Testament at Temple Baptist Seminary in Chattanooga, TN, showed him negative phrases about Jesus in the codes. For example: "I desire/lust after treachery/fraud, Jesus is my violent name" (http://www.corp.direct.ca/trinity/codebreaker.html);. Dr. Price even found negative statements about God, such as "God (is) an abomination and a diviner."
Cramer said Dr. Price,
"has now shown the ELS Phrase phenomenon to be a random occurrence that happens in all literature. There is nothing special about the mathematical significant occurrences in the bible good or bad. . . . The conclusions of Dr Price's research should end any further research . . . God did not hide ELS codes in the Bible. The ELS codes do not prove divine authorship of the Hebrew Bible. This phenomenon will occur in all texts and all literature.
Several scientific publications have published articles that refute the codes, such as Chance, a magazine of the American Statistical Association (May 1998), and Statistical Science (May 1999), the same journal that originally published the article that supposedly proved the Bible codes. But you don't hear much about the refutation articles, such as Solving the Bible Code Puzzle, by Brendan McKay, Dror Bar-Natan, Maya Bar-Hillel, and Gil Kalai (http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/torah.html). McKay found the assassinations of Gandhi and Nicaraguan president Somoza in Moby Dick.
The coders claim that the word "computer" is encoded in Daniel 12 where it says the book will be sealed up until the time of the end. But all thinking, descerning Christians should not believe such nonsense. The prophecies of Daniel are revealed by the Spirit of God, not by a computer.
The Bible was given to us as a revelation, an unveiling, which was in stark contrast to the pagan mystery religions. When Paul said, "I tell you a mystery" he was revealing that which had not been clearly known prior to his teaching-- which is the purpose of the Bible; the Bible is God's revealed Word, not his hidden word. That which is not clear in the Bible, is revealed by the Holy Spirit, therefore we have no use for Bible codes.
The coders say that you cannot use the codes to predict the future. If the codes were genuine, you could use them to predict the future. After all, if there is an event in the Bible codes, then why would it not come to pass? The reason you cannot predict the future with the codes is because, it is not just events that have happened which can be found in the codes, but events that have never happened. For example you could find "Franklin Roosevelt assassinated," or "Noble Peace prize Hitler." Why could you find events that never happened in the codes, because there are no actual events in the codes. Remember, the words only contain consonants and no vowels, so by adding the proper vowels, you can create any statement you want.
Prior to 2000 there was a web site that contained numerous search results showing great calamity coming upon the world because of Y2K (http://www.aristotle.net/~bhuie/code2r.htm). The code search found: millennium, bug, destruction, electricity, powergrid (failure), telecommunication, panic, terror, dread, famine, hunger, starvation, plague, death, and more. We know that none of these events happened, which is strong evidence against the codes. The page has since been removed.
The UnMuseum reports that one of the men that actually promotes the codes admits that "the assassination of Winston Churchill, who wasn't killed at all but died of natural causes" can be found in the codes.
Therefore, the Bible codes, or what they supposedly are, can tell us nothing for sure, nothing absolute, which is the opposite of the Bible because the Bible contains absolute truth (when properly interpreted). The codes can tell us nothing about God, and nothing about the future, so they are of no use to thinking Christians.
If all the above is not enough for you, most of the findings in the codes are done with large ELS skips. Which is, the code programs will search skips up to 1,500 skips! This means there are up to 1,500 consonants between each letter that is used to spell a word! WOW! Think about that a minute. Is there any word or phrase that could not be found in the codes using that method?
http://www.bibleprophecyrevealed.us/main/codes2.html
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slidingmike
climber
CA
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THIS JUST IN: Photo released from Bin Laden's funeral service...
That should put all doubts to rest
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Gene
climber
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The Klimmer News Network (KNN) today revealed a major breakthrough in the search for the leadership of the vast conspiracy involving Masons, Illuminati, Dead Heads, Mother Teresa, and the site managers of MoonArc.com.
For the first time we have learned that the leadership of all intergalactic conspiracies can only be selected from those born on February 29.
The special bulletin from KNN states that this allows the secretive leadership to live to the age of 280 years in accordance with the Biblical ‘four score and ten,' thus ensuring conspiratorial continuity. Nostradamus was unavailable for comment.
KNN also apologized that their consultant, Werner Braun, was unable to comment on this story. Due to differences in time zones, Mr. Braun was asheep.
Other news organizations have yet to crack the Bible code that gave KNN this breaking story.
Stay tuned.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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OBL does not disavow being involved in other attacks prior to 9-11-01 against the US, no doubt he was a bad man. He was our bad man though. He was at onetime our CIA asset, if not to his very end. However, he does disavow 9-11-01, and he did so officially like 4 times or so.
Say what you will, he did hate the USA, but he was still Islamic in faith according to his beliefs. He did things according to his faith. I don't agree with it at all, but he prided himself on taking credit for what he did do. In that regard he was an honest man. He did take credit for other attacks. Why would he not take credit for the biggest of them all if he did indeed do it? Because he didn't do it. He knew that he was their go to bogeyman and would get blamed for things he wasn't even involved in. He admitted that publically.
“In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.
"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.”
Even then OBL, knew that 9-11 was an inside job, “. . . seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons.”
No they did not want him alive to talk. He was our once CIA asset, and they did not want him to ever get in front of a court of law and say all that he knew. Nope. Was never going to happen. But having died in 2001, he was still a very useful bogeyman asset even dead. No one else had to know. (But we did anyway.)
"Dead (CIA) Men Tell No Tales"
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Hey skip, had the raid failed and nobody returned, would the right wing still be saying Obama had nothing to do with it?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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