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HighTraverse
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Bay Area
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I remain unconvinced that the "Great Society" initiatives were the most viable solution to the problems in question Fair enough. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of the Great Society. Should we throw out the baby with the bath water? This is where I strongly disagree. I doubt you have much respect for Rev Jesse Jackson but I have respect for his historical judgement. I believed at the time and see no reason to doubt that LBJ strenuously believed in all his major efforts. He was dead wrong about Vietnam and much more than 1/2 right about the rest. He was a clever and tough enough politician to get these major accomplishments. It's very unlikely any other President could have gotten the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts through. It required a savvy Southerner to make it happen. I was in high school/college and politically very aware during his administration. You can argue about the results of the "war on poverty" or the "war on drugs" (Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush) but not about the Civil and Voting Rights acts. I remember when blacks were still seriously discriminated against, were indeed 2nd class citizens in a large part of the country. Can you?
The Voting Rights Act from Wikipedia
Echoing the language of the 15th Amendment, the Act prohibits states from imposing any "voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure ... to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color."[3] Specifically, Congress intended the Act to outlaw the practice of requiring otherwise qualified voters to pass literacy tests in order to register to vote, a principal means by which Southern states had prevented African-Americans from exercising the franchise.[2] The Act was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson, a Democrat, who had earlier signed the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 into law.
Edit: If we had spent the time, energy and money on improving the war on poverty that we've spent on the War on Drugs we might well have significantly reduced both poverty and drug use. And be a wealthier, healthier and safer nation as a result.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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fatty
yet again you and I have a fundamentally different outlook on society
Why "make peace", with enemies who are sworn to your destruction. Better start reading the "Clash of Civilizations" thread. Paneta is a fool. You can make peace, you can impose peace or you can continue in a virtual state of war.
Israel has been and will forever be incapable of imposing peace on the Palestinians. For all the obvious history of 54 years and current practical reasons. Just as it's unlikely we will ever be able to impose peace in Afghanistan.
So they have the choice of making peace or continuing with the status quo. Same for the Palestinians.
If you want to argue for the status quo, go ahead.
Making peace requires each side making concessions. Stepping back from initiating counter-productive activities. By BOTH sides. There are plenty of Palestinians and Israelis who'd like to make peace. Unfortunately the leadership on both sides is lacking.
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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He said he understood the anger at the use of taxpayers' cash to prop up stricken banks, allowing them to earn huge profits.
Not sure where they are hiding these profits, but those "huge" profits do not seem to be reflected in the stock prices!
BAC -55% for the year
Goldman -50%
Citi -50%
etc.
Maybe they shouldn't have paid the money back so soon?
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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Good Analysis on Civil Rights and War on Poverty LEB.
Despite the success of Civil Rights, some of the offshoot programs are probably doing more harm than good right now, despite good intentions. All minorities have suffered far worse than whites since 2008 (even Asians, who had a lower unemployment rate than whites to begin with), most likely because of their special workplace protections. During the crisis the main reason most companies did not hire was uncertainty, and who wants to hire someone that is difficult to fire if things go south? Studies show it is much more expensive to fire someone from a protected employment class, so it makes sense that employers would be wary to hire such people in a time of uncertainty.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Yes, TGT, the Bush legacy just keeps on giving. America's lost decade, and indeed 30 years of Republican hegemony and ineptitude, will take a while to recover from.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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I see only status quo or destroyed Islamic states. You see the rantings of the certifiably insane President of Iran. He doesn't dictate either Israeli or Palestinian policy. Sure he sends the Palestinians weapons and aid. As we send Israel about $2.5 Billion aid per year, military and cash. As of 2007 we had given Israel $101 billion in aid. We don't dictate their foreign policy. And Israel has demonstrated their ability and willingness to destroy both Syrian and Iraqi nuclear reactors.
Israel's long term self interest is to make peace with the Palestinians when they can agree on mutually satisfactory terms. As they did in the Oslo Peace Accords. Which both countries reneged on in several ways.
That doesn't mean they shouldn't try again.
Stop living in the past and look towards the future.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
Kayenta, AZ
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I do believe we need to take a more global perspective on these issues.
Hmmm . . .
A more global perspective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5gu1h3NXJw
I especially like the graph that shows the national debit growth from 1989 to the present . . .
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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TGT You forgot to post that the wealth of the really rich has skyrocketed since 2008.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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bottom line is everybody needs something to do
but right now, the chineese are doing things that we need to do
is that racist? i do not know.
all i know is that i need a job and things don't look good.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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oil spill, what the hell
bill clinton, did he really stick a pipe up that girls ass
jus sayin
wtf over?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nah,
He just used her for a cigar humidor.
it was a,
Monicanudo
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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What's wrong with the right?
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/76441616/
Here you go..
The all c#m in their jeans when they here about this!!!
Backdoor deals the Koch Brothers did....
Shady at best, those f*#king sh#t heads
Hopefully they get some jail time
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/koch-brothers-flout-law-getting-richer-with-secret-iran-sales.html
Is this why the rich want to do away with the inheritance tax?
"Obsessed with Secrecy
Koch-Glitsch is part of a global empire run by billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch, who have taken a small oil company they inherited from their father, Fred, after his death in 1967, and built it into a chemical, textile, trading and refining conglomerate spanning more than 50 countries."
Tell me this is how you recocklickcans want this country to be run?
"Koch Industries is obsessed with secrecy, to the point that it discloses only an approximation of its annual revenue -- $100 billion a year -- and says nothing about its profits."
Shady at best
Guess what I won't start buying from my local supermarket?
"The most visible part of Koch Industries is its consumer brands, including Lycra fiber and Stainmaster carpet. Georgia- Pacific LLC, which Koch owns, makes Dixie cups, Brawny paper towels and Quilted Northern bath tissue."
Glad he's gone... How much more competitive are we today because of their shady practices?
"Charles, 75, and David, 71, each worth about $20 billion, are prominent financial backers of groups that believe that excessive regulation is sapping the competitiveness of American business. They inherited their anti-government leanings from their father."
Just like a set of rich repuklickants.. pulling shady deals while calling for the ouster of a foreign government the US is keeping an eye on because they are considered supporters of terrorism?:
"These are long-standing tenets for the Kochs. In 1980, David Koch ran for vice president on the Libertarian ticket, pledging to abolish Social Security, the Federal Reserve System, welfare, minimum wage laws and federal agencies -- including the Department of Energy, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Central Intelligence Agency.
What many people don’t know is how the Kochs’ anti- regulation political ideology has influenced the way they conduct business.
A Bloomberg Markets investigation has found that Koch Industries -- in addition to being involved in improper payments to win business in Africa, India and the Middle East -- has sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran, a country the U.S. identifies as a sponsor of global terrorism."
Yeah, that's true American Republicanism... nothing but shame....
That's a republican for ya.. Dirty as all get out, and don't care in the slightest
"The ‘Koch Method’
Internal company documents show that the company made those sales through foreign subsidiaries, thwarting a U.S. trade ban. Koch Industries units have also rigged prices with competitors, lied to regulators and repeatedly run afoul of environmental regulations, resulting in five criminal convictions since 1999 in the U.S. and Canada.
From 1999 through 2003, Koch Industries was assessed more than $400 million in fines, penalties and judgments. In December 1999, a civil jury found that Koch Industries had taken oil it didn’t pay for from federal land by mismeasuring the amount of crude it was extracting. Koch paid a $25 million settlement to the U.S."
Shameful theives.
I can't believe some of the reupkes on this site actually get some (all) of their talking points from these jackasses....
Just shameful... pathetic
F*#king Theives (no wonder.... they're republican)
"Phil Dubose, a Koch employee who testified against the company said he and his colleagues were shown by their managers how to steal and cheat -- using techniques they called the Koch Method."
And they are murders:
"In 1999, a Texas jury imposed a $296 million verdict on a Koch pipeline unit -- the largest compensatory damages judgment in a wrongful death case against a corporation in U.S. history. The jury found that the company’s negligence had led to a butane pipeline rupture that fueled an explosion that killed two teenagers."
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Liberals are such swing. Why don't they just leave all of us good people alone?
By definition: Liberalism involves feeling. Liberals love you. To death. A liberal will give you the shirt off his back if you need it. Unfortunately, he will also give the shirt on your back to someone else if they need it, so long as he is convinced you have another shirt. Once we all have an equal number of shirts, we will have arrived in the liberal's version of utopia..an impossibility.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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bring back
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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we are doomed as a nation
i know thast.
too many fAT PEOPLE
FAT PEOPLE SUCK BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT SEND 5.12
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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ALL WE NEED IS A MASSIVE TELESCOPE TO PREDICT HUMAN LIVES
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/billionaire-koch-brothers-in-the-dock-over-trades-with-iran-2365181.html
The leading financiers of the Tea Party movement were last night attempting to rebut claims that a portion of their wealth comes from secretly doing business with the most un-American trading partner imaginable: the hard-line government of Iran.
Charles and David Koch, the prominent billionaires who fund a string of influential conservative think-tanks, stand accused of selling tens of millions of dollars worth of petrochemicals to Tehran, despite a longstanding US trade embargo against the nation that the former President, George W Bush, dubbed a pillar of his "Axis of Evil".
It has been reported that Koch Industries used foreign subsidiaries to supply the products, in an apparent effort to stay within the letter – if not the spirit – of the law. It has been suggested that the company used dozens of lawyers to help find a way around the embargo, and was trading with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's regime as recently as 2007...
Edit: looks like this link was posted on the last page but it's too good to delete
Note that Dick Cheney's firm Haliburton did business with Iran too, using foreign subsidiaries. Goes to show the hypocrisy and greedy bottom line that's behind all the noble talk about "axis of evil"
Shame
karl
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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who wants to smoke some crack?
on me
8 ball
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