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k-man
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SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2013 - 11:03am PT
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So far so good. Another year coming to an end with no climate change disasters.
 dave729
Can the deniers be any more blind? Well, I suppose 10,000+ dead in the Philippines is too far away for our concern.
Soon, it will become plain as day that the cycle of weather is becoming more and more extreme, and it will be impossible to discount what the climate scientists have been telling us.
At that time, how do you think the deniers will react? Do you think they'll be able to evaluate how they came to their beliefs and see just how badly they've been misled by the news sources they've come to believe is "fair and balanced?"
My step-dad is a core FOX News nut. He watches that single news source and claims that I am too narrow minded to look at real news. He says my bias keeps me from seeing "the truth" and that he is looking at both sides fairly.
Simply, there is no hope to open the eyes of people like this--they are brainwashed to the point that they are unable to think for one second that they're being purposely misled.
But, when black becomes white, what will they think?
I think it's fair to say that they'll be looking at their trusted news source to tell them what they need to think.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 11, 2013 - 11:50am PT
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I have a pair of waders for sale.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Nov 11, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
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How many more storms is it going to take?
Remember :Think only of yourselves.
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go-B
climber
Hebrews 1:3
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Nov 11, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
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Do you think all the space junk will effect the climate...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 11, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
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Precipitation changes due to climate change- a no brainer, it's been happening from region to region on Earth for eons and is totally natural. These guys should have stayed with some of the contents of the first sentences- "least understood consequences of climate change", " thought to be", and my favorite " existing models are insufficient" and may i add always will be as long as they grasp at straws in trying to attribute all CC to anthro causation.
I'm surprised your not taking excerpts from this and other recent papers, Ed, to credit the evil anthro activities with responsibility of this strong cat 4 typhoon that just hit the Phillipines.
There is more news today saying the Sun's magnetic field is about to complete its cyclical flip. This signals the downslope of the Schwab cycle to a minimum unseen in over a 100 years. Better get your cold weather gear together, repaired, and ready for wear over the next 6-30 winters. There's a chill a-comin.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 11, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
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No links between the suns magnetic field strength and changes in Earths atmosphere, surely you jest Ed? Dust off Abdussmatov, Penn and Livingston, Scafetta,Lu, Svensmark, Lungqvist, Lockwood and many others for reference to links.
There is also a new paper out by Spencer and Brasswell who did a bit of simplified modeling using the standard forcings and Enso with its associated variability in cloud cover-perhaps increasing and decreasing percentages of cloud cover from natural cycles fit observations for both temp variations and changes in precipitation patterns better than the paper you just cited. I know you don't like to go there, but its in todays Watts blog.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 11, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
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They are being frugal Ed, sort of like your scrounge-a-tron. Why approprite millions of dollars of funding just to play around with modeling?
For one thing-cloud seed nucleation through increased cosmic ray bombardment during periods of quiet sun -i believe Jasper Kirkby ( you know him from the Cern CLOUD experiment)just came out with an article/presentation endorsing some of Svensmark's ideas. See below. There are several other theorized/proposed mechanisms i've read a while back that would take some searching to refind.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/tag/jasper-kirkby/
Edit: just fixed link above
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 11, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
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OK-from memory since i'm seperated from my tall stack of climate stuff. Energetic solar magnetism can effect the Earths magnetosphere allowing increased ionizing radiation and depletion of ozone and thereby allowing more solar radiation to reach earths surface, particularly near the polar regions-a probable pronounced effect during the recent solar grand maximum of the late 20th century. I'm sure you'll point out the faults in my memory so i won't currently go beyond this.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Nov 12, 2013 - 01:35am PT
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Typhoons do what they do.
Wishing them away as Warmists assure us can be done
if they collect enough Carbon tax money,
has zero chance of success.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Nov 12, 2013 - 02:20am PT
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Philippines has been hit with more than 10,000 typhoons
in the last 1,000 years and yet it is still a densely populated
country.
The culture and economies of the islands endure because it is in
Typhoon Alley. Not in spite of storms.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 12, 2013 - 09:40am PT
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Philippines has been hit with more than 10,000 typhoons
in the last 1,000 years ...
Yawn.
Yes, dave, we know--the Philippines get typhoons. India, monsoons. And, it's rained for thousands of years too. Droughts? Yep, there have been those... Wind? All over the friggin' planet.
In fact, I think it's safe to say that the Earth has experienced all the weather cycles that AWG is bringing on. The difference is in the rate of the changes and what is causing the change to happen at that rate.
So dave, 1,000 year flood in CO, strongest storm ever recorded. Both this year. What ever happened to the peace and quiet we had a couple of decades ago?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 12, 2013 - 09:48am PT
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OK-from memory ...
@Rick, Instead of "from memory," Rick, please take the time to dust of your stack of books and find a reference to back up your absurd claim. Because from my memory, you have yet to stand by any of the claims you have made in the past, and you're sounding like the psycho I used to see in San Francisco's China Town.
Every day that guy would stand on the corner and shout all day long. He certainly had strong beliefs, but nobody really gave him much mind, because we all knew he was full of hot air.
So, to be unlike that guy, you have to actually stand by the claims you make with something called "reputable sources."
Got any?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Nov 12, 2013 - 10:42am PT
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How long are you guys going to spend trying to teach sketch to read?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 12, 2013 - 10:59am PT
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DMT and Kelly and all others here who have sacrificed any pretense of independent evaluation in favor of the current hip group think and grope of CAGW- even if i took the exhausting route of laying it all out, paper after paper, conclusions supported by observations, you robots would still go to your reality denying blogs for canned attack responses. Try to exercise your atrophied brains, try to look past the hype towards the real world.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 12, 2013 - 11:22am PT
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 12, 2013 - 11:39am PT
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Thanks Dingus, I suppose you're right, we're being mocked here by overall-wearin', wheat-chewin' stick-in-the-muds.
As for that Bachmann gal, who'd ever think she didn't know what she was talking about. I mean, if she can say it, and be a US Senator, she must know things we don't. And why can't our boy Ricky be like her?
@Rick:
you robots would still go to your reality denying blogs for canned attack responses.
Here, sir, you are very wrong. Where we go is not to blogs, but to actual peer-reviewed science papers.
Something which you have yet to comprehend.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 12, 2013 - 11:46am PT
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So, was Typhoon Haiyan enhanced by climate change? An obvious question without an obvious answer, we'll be hearing many opinions in the weeks and months ahead. WUWT mobilized quickly with a string of posts declaring that Haiyan is no big deal -- not an easy position for Anthony Watts to defend.
Public discussion seems to be heading in the opposite direction because Haiyan, obviously and disastrously, is a big deal. Scientists are getting sought out for quotations in the media, but careful research on this storm will take longer. In the meantime Greg Laden, who definitely has opinions, makes an interesting point that cyclones are fed not just by warm surface waters but by water temperatures at shallow depths under the surface, which they stir up. He reproduces October temperature maps from the Japan Meteorological Agency including this one, on which he overlays Haiyan's approximate track above temperature anomalies at 100m depth:
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 12, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
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Well I have to congratulate Ed on his original independent evaluation of Abdussmatov's single paper he references. Unfortunately that paper is just one of many in which he explains his theories and discusses mechanisms. Furthermore their are problems in the translations from Russian to English. Cross him off the list: I dont think so- he's a very highly respected scientist in Russia and people pay attention to what he has to say. Good attempt in glossing over a single paper though.
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