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madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Denver, CO

Jun 21, 2016 - 03:39pm PT

Thanks for the answer, Klimmer. At least you appear to be minimally doctrinally consistent. I was just curious.

I still find your delineation of what names are "proper" and what names are not to be arbitrary and deeply confused. But this isn't the place to argue that issue.

To your points regarding Trump, I remain baffled why you hold him in such religious-fervor esteem. But don't take that as a "request" for further explanation. Please.

Escopeta

Trad climber

Idaho

Jun 21, 2016 - 03:45pm PT

LOL ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

But seriously. Did you watch the vid? Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

Tom

Big Wall climber

San Luis Obispo CA

Jun 21, 2016 - 03:49pm PT

I am "the king of debt."That has been great for me as a businessman, but is bad for the country. I made a fortune off of debt, will fix U.S.

That is a remarkable statement: misleading and delusional at the same time.

Trump, as the King of Debt, has burned just about all the bankers and investors who have ever dealt with him. Trump's idea of Kingly Debt Management is to default on loans, and renegotiate them on terms more favorable to himself. He takes out huge loans for his grandiose projects, siphons off huge sums for himself, and then passes off the bankrupted wreckage to the banks instead of paying them back with money, as agreed upon.

Trump doesn't even hide from the fact that he has made a fortune in this manner. He boasts about using bankruptcy laws to enrich himself. He brags about how his mastery of The Art of the Deal ensures that he always walks away from the bargaining table the Big Winner, with the other guys being the Pathetic Losers.

Negotiation is about give and take. I give a little, but I mostly take.

Now Trump says that debt is bad for the country, and he will fix the U.S.

How?

By defaulting on the nation's debt, and renegotiating with its lenders to pay them less than what is owed?

By signing over bankrupted wreckage (Federal lands and assets) as part of a dimes-on-the-dollar settlement package with the Chinese government?

Is he is going to bully holders of U.S.-backed bonds into taking 20 cents on the dollar (Take it or leave it, losers)?

overwatch

climber

Arizona

Jun 21, 2016 - 03:58pm PT

Tom is a pro.

If there were ever any one I would consider using Grease Monkey on its Klittmeir

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jun 21, 2016 - 04:17pm PT

"You don't really need a key..."

A well-placed kick should do the trick...

Escopeta

Trad climber

Idaho

Jun 21, 2016 - 04:25pm PT

Its officially a fetish.

Winemaker

Sport climber

Yakima, WA

Jun 21, 2016 - 04:29pm PT

Well, I guess everyone who is griping about Trump and his bankruptcies just ain't religious:

Deuteronomy 15:1 "At the end of every seventh year you must cancel the debts of everyone who owes you money."

I guess Trump is just being very religious with himself.

dirtbag

climber

Jun 21, 2016 - 05:14pm PT

Wait till November. A prophecy has been given. Let's see if it holds true. So far so good. I think Trump will win the election in a landslide even though Hillary will have spent hundreds of millions of dollars far more than Trump. Even when it might appear that trump is gonna lose, I believe he will win big. G-d loves suspense. He tests our faith.

We will see.

It will be supernatural. A G-d thing.

Please quit teaching kids science.

Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Jun 21, 2016 - 05:23pm PT

Klimmer said:
Trump can be used by G-d. He doesn't have to be a man of G-d. It helps. He does have some faith. But just like G-d used King Cyrus, he wasn't a man of G-d, but G-d used him for his purposes. There are many flaws that Trump has. He's human. But there are many right things about him too.

Cyrus is one of the people in the Bible Yahweh Called Messiah, so it must be so. The Bible is holy scripture, is it not?
Isaiah 45:1

Thus saith the YHWH to his Messiah, to Cyrus, whom I have taken by his right hand to subdue Gentiles before him and to loose the loins of kings. To open before him the two-leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut:

YHWH didn't even call Moses or Abraham Messiah.

Are you saying Trump is Messiah?

Coach37

Social climber

Philly

Jun 21, 2016 - 05:35pm PT

Cyrus is one of the people in the Bible Called Messiah

Billy Ray or Miley?

Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Jun 21, 2016 - 05:38pm PT

Billy Ray or Miley?

Nah. Before that.

He was known as The Great ( before Ali) and the Greeks knew him as Cyrus the Elder.
Wings and all...Gives us old farts hope.

Norton

Social climber

Jun 21, 2016 - 05:41pm PT

A federal lawsuit filed Monday in New York accuses Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump of repeatedly raping a 13-year-old girl more than 20 years ago, at several Upper East Side parties hosted by convicted sex offender and notorious billionaire investor Jeffrey Epstein.

The suit, first reported by the Real Deal, accuses Trump and Epstein of luring the anonymous plaintiff and other young women to four parties at Epstein's so-called Wexner Mansion at 9 East 71st Street. Epstein allegedly lured the plaintiff, identified in the suit only as Jane Doe, with promises of a modeling career and cash.
Another anonymous woman, identified in additional testimony as Tiffany Doe, corroborates Jane's allegations, testifying that she met Epstein at Port Authority, where he hired her to recruit other young girls for his parties.
Trump had known Epstein for seven years in 1994 when he at

tended the parties at Wexner, according to the suit. He also allegedly knew that the plaintiff was 13 years old.http://addictinginfo.org/2016/06/21/breaking-donald-trump-is-being-sued-for-repeatedly-raping-a-13-year-old/

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Jun 21, 2016 - 05:45pm PT

Trump is folding this month

But then I remembered the Biblical Prophecies!!!
so the poles must be way off, because Prophecies are always reliable.

Maybe Trump will rebound and take the poles back above his current dismal low 20s, which he needs desperately to be a viable candidate, Hillary is above 42%

all he needs is for about 25% of the population to see the light and convert to Cult Trump,
I don't anticipate any problems for that happening, any day now!!
He loves the Blacks, maybe they will vote for him!

Breaking News!
Trump needs money!
We should all donate to Trump, just to enable the prophecies to come true, it's your Christian duty.

Then Klimmer will to be right on the money

10b4me

Mountain climber

Retired

Jun 21, 2016 - 06:05pm PT

Wait till November. A prophecy has been given. Let's see if it holds true.

If. I thought you were positive.
So when it doesn't happen, isn't that proof that God doesn't exist?

Skeptimistic

Mountain climber

La Mancha

Jun 21, 2016 - 06:16pm PT

Vote Hillary, for Klimmer's sanity.

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Jun 21, 2016 - 06:20pm PT

Every one of Trump's businesses has been a scam of some sort
or con

I think that's why the conspiracy gullible love Trump
He pushes all their buttons just right.

They are not only Trump supporters, they are also the con man's dream dupe.
Put them on a list for all conspiratory scams as marks to work.

Are there ST posters that vote on the basis OF:: Pro-Life.

I sure hope not,
women are already dying in some Red States for these extreme anti-life abortion restrictions. It's another right wing wedge issue hate campaign that hurts women.
Let women decide, keep your opinions to yourself, you don't like abortion, DON"T HAVE ONE, period...

overwatch

climber

Arizona

Jun 21, 2016 - 06:32pm PT

People who need to use using Grease Monkey are sterile .....

That's why I said if, like I said I look forward to them now so that I can scroll past large chunks of text.

I may be though I hope I am

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Denver, CO

Jun 21, 2016 - 06:41pm PT

He changed his stance for political purposes...

Who hasn't? Clinton certainly has.

If you really want to bash on him, you can do far better than that.

I recommend (wishing I had coined it) the withering insult: "Your father smells of elderberries."

In this election, the deciding principle should be: Trump smells of elderberries; Clinton does not. (Who cares whether or not either do? Objective facts are entirely irrelevant. The election is all about perception.)

Pundits and media assure us: Trump does smell of elderberries to many interviewers and bystanders. Thus, Clinton simply must trump Trump. That's the only rational outcome, given the elderberries and all.