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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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dang,
is it my funreal or your trial?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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what about this kidneys stone,
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Maybe this thread wasn't nuked but people are just mistaking it for the "Friday night post while drunk" thread?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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that is correct , sir.
can i see your liscense and registration?
insurance?
smog check?
birth certificate?
proof of relegion?
see you later alligator
afeter while crockidile
so long
thats all good bye
on your mark
get set
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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how many republicans does it take to screw in a lite bulb?
none.
they stck a candle up their ass and hollar Snake!
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jstan
climber
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David Walker, former US comptroller, has been travelling and addressing the public for years regarding the dangers posed by excessive debt.
A voice in the wilderness.
From the AARP Bulletin
Restoring Fiscal Sanity
The road to financial stability will be long and difficult
by: David M. Walker | from: AARP Bulletin | September 1, 2011
Now that the nation's debt ceiling has been raised and the United States' credit rating has been downgraded for the first time in history, it's time to recognize that our political process is broken and that much more needs to be done to restore fiscal sanity. Washington waited until less than 12 hours before a technical default before agreeing on a deficit reduction target of $2.4 trillion that was far short of the rating agency Standard & Poor's $4 trillion goal. In addition, the agreement did nothing to meaningfully reform Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and our outdated tax system.
Barry Rand: Continue fight to protect Social Security, Medicare. Read
It's time to protect Social Security. Read
Washington's 2011 fiscal wars: What they mean to you. Read
It seems clear to most people that Washington has become a dysfunctional place where partisan battles, ideological divides and special-interest group pledges have created a stalemate in the face of large, known and growing challenges. This threatens America's future position in the world and the future standard of living for Americans.
The time has come to begin exploring seriously options needed to kick-start our economy while also pursuing the type of dramatic and fundamental reforms necessary to avoid a future U.S. debt crisis and put our nation's finances in order. We must do both at the same time in a way that improves economic growth, creates more jobs, strengthens our competitive posture and ensures our security while providing a solvent, sustainable and secure social safety net.
The nonpartisan Comeback America Initiative issued a "Restoring Fiscal Sanity" report in July. It includes two illustrative fiscal frameworks. First, a "preemptive framework" is designed to avoid a U.S. debt crisis and reduce the debt-to-gross domestic product ratio to a reasonable and sustainable level by 2035 while allowing for $500 billion in short-term investments to help the economy and generate jobs. It would result in balancing the primary budget (federal spending excluding interest paid on the debt) in 2014 and every year thereafter.
The second is a "reactive framework" that includes more dramatic reforms that would have to be implemented in the event of a U.S. debt crisis. It would eliminate any additional short-term investments and completely balance the budget by 2015 as well as greatly reduce debt-to-GDP ratios in 2035.
Both frameworks put everything on the table with transformational reforms in all major areas: Social Security, health care, defense, taxes/revenues, interest and budget controls.
This report can be useful in several ways. First, to help launch a much-needed citizen education and engagement effort. AARP should be part of this effort. Second, to help facilitate more meaningful and credible compromises in connection with future debt ceiling increases. Finally, to provide ideas for the legislative reforms that will have to take place to restore fiscal sanity after the 2012 elections. Hopefully the report will help identify some nonpartisan solutions that can garner bipartisan support to help ensure a brighter future for our country, our children and our grandchildren. The time has come to promote progress over partisanship and the interests of the country over special interests. We all need to do our part to make this a reality.
David M. Walker is the founder and CEO of the Comeback America Initiative and former comptroller general of the United States.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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the road to hell...
from wsj:
September 30, 2011 5:00 P.M.
The Durbin Fee
Hold on to your wallet: The Durbin Amendment goes into effect Saturday. The once-obscure amendment to the Dodd-Frank financial-reform bill limits “interchange fees,” which banks charge to merchants for providing the service that allows stores to accept debit-card payments. The fees were cut by some 80 percent, which makes it less profitable for banks to offer debit-card services. So the banks have done the natural thing and begun to transfer the fee from merchants to their customers, with Bank of America announcing a new $5-per-month fee for debit-card users.
Naturally, the amendment’s author, Sen. Dick Durbin (D., Ill.) is in a rage, complaining that the banks are “sticking it” to consumers. He ought not be surprised: What is happening is precisely what was predicted by industry experts and by the banks themselves. Running a debit-card network costs money, and banks are not going to do it for free or suffer reduced profits gladly. As is usually the case, what we have here is one special-interest lobby (retailers) using its political clout to prevail over a marketplace rival (the banks) to secure for itself a bigger piece of the action. Mr. Durbin, being a senator and a Democrat, cannot resist the urge to stick his nose into controversies better left to the marketplace. Not coincidentally, one of the nation’s largest retailers, Walgreens, is located in his state, and the firm’s CEO lobbied hard for the new federal price controls on debit-card fees.
The new fees are a textbook example of the unintended consequences of regulation — unintended, yes, but not unforeseeable.
Indeed, they were almost universally foreseen. In the Michigan state legislature — hardly a hotbed of free-market fundamentalism — a resolution calling for abandoning the Durbin amendment was passed unanimously by both houses. Sen. Darwin Booher, who sponsored the Michigan resolution, said at the time: “I sponsored this resolution to send a strong message to Congress: Stop any rules from being adopted that would harm our community banks, credit unions, and the millions of Michigan consumers that use them. As currently proposed, the rules would force credit unions and community banks to absorb the costs of fraud and data security. That would result in less credit available for job providers, increased fees, and the ending of popular services like free checking.”
Free checking accounts were the first casualty, with almost every major bank in the country restricting that popular option to larger accounts and imposing new fees on customers who keep lower balances. Again, Bank of America was the first mover, a position it was impelled to take in no small part by the fact that the new regulation forced it to suffer a $10 billion writedown of future earnings. “I’ve seen more regulation in last 30 months than in last 30 years,” Robert Hammer, a banking expert, told the Associated Press. “The bottom line for banks is shifting enormously, swiftly and deeply, and they’re not going to sit by twiddling their thumbs. They’re going to change.” Unintended, not unforeseeable.
Dodd-Frank is a bad piece of legislation, and the Durbin Amendment may not even be the worst part of it. But when Americans start seeing those $5 monthly fees on their bank statements (and if you get a paper bank statement, expect a fee for that, too), we should thank Senator Durbin, who did it all to save us money.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Looks like a double dip recession coming our way.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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So Israel illegally announces 1000 new homes for settlement in East Jerusalem and HIllary clinton announces it's wrong but does nothing.
Palestine non-violently appeals to the UN for statehood (something Israel also did during it's inception) and congress responds by blocking 200 million in aid.
And we wonder why they don't take our peace efforts seriously
Peace
karl
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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And what exactly did you expect Hillary Clinton to do, Karl?
We were not there in the meetings, we do not know the tone of language she may have used with the Israelis.
What do you want us to do? Threaten Israel with military air strikes?
The sons of bitches have a long history of taking our "aid" dollars and then not cooperating with our "suggestions".
Personally, I would like to see our Congress ACT on greatly reducing our money flow to Israel IF they don't do exactly what we tell them to do.
But we both know that is not going to happen, given the high number of prominent Jews that serve in our government.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
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bookworm, I love your logic. Could you have your head farther up Wall Street's ass?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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you wouldn't understand..
you don't understand that many of our tactics actually create more terrorist, so you wouldn't understand our position on the actions that Israel takes to "protect" itself.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Lois write
So, Karl, please enlighten me. What is so God-awful terrible about the Jews or their measly little piece of land known as Israel - such that libs are always dumping on them. No doubt you will speak of my profound "ignorance" and then enlighten me as to the error of my ways and thinking.
Geez Lois, there is a difference between the state of Israel and "Jews" and you may want to note that US Jews are Mostly Democrats so there goes your "Anti-semite LIberal" prejudice.
The State of Israel started in a region with only 10% Jews and grew and grew and grew. It wasn't empty land, people lived there and now their descendants want to keep on to at least what land they have left and so naturally object to CONTINUED Israeli Expansion in defiance of US resolutions. The Palestinians have a very valid case against Israel. THe most radical ones will certainly fail in their goal to have no Jewish State, but it's easy to understand why they'd be upset.
Mexican Americans make up about 10% of the population now but if in 40 years they came in such great numbers and exercised such power that the rest of use were crowded into nevada and Arizona while "the Mexican" state had the rest of the land, and then the Mexican state wanted the water rights to the rivers and land next to them even in our desert lands, the rest of us would be upset too.
This is what I'm saying. We are always encouraging the Palestinians to act non-violently but punish them for using the US. The Israelis do something FAR worse and provocative to the situation, illegal by international law and we pay lip service but not punish with aid cuts.
You know, Karl, there is not a day of my life which goes by that I am eternally grateful that I am not a lib. Thank goodness. To have to ever hold these hateful and resentful attitudes towards others would just not do for me, at all. Thanks but no thanks! I am proud not to be numbered among the libs.
Geez Lois, I thought I demonstrated a few pages back how resentful the conservative talk on this thread was. Guess, like the smell of our own farts, It's only offensive when the other side does it.
Peace
karl
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Gary
climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
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My Hebrew teacher, Uri Ullmann, was veteran of the Six Day War. I asked him about the expulsions of the Palestinians from their land, and he said that they weren't using it to the best advantage, so the Israelis were justified in seizing their land.
Do you understand, Lois? They were evicted by force from their property. Surely that would upset a Republican?
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apogee
climber
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"that Wheel of Corn DogSwallowers made me lol. Is that your work?"
Nope, can't claim credit for that one, Dingus. It is a feat of genius though, ain't it?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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The Jews have been persecuted throughout history. This is true, but certainly not by 20th century "liberals" who are responsible for the creation of Israel.
First by Christians, starting in about the 2nd century CE. Jerusalem was sacked by the Crusaders in 1099. The Nazis were aided and abetted by the Catholic Church. It's ironic that Jews had prominent positions in the early history of Marxism, Communism and the USSR until Stalin's purges. Jewish society is highly socialistic. Haven't you heard of the Jewish Communes? Now they're called settlements, I suppose because Israeli leadership has steadily become more right wing.
Who wants to blow them off the face of the earth. Who wants to destroy them in the holocaust. Ridiculous hyperbole. It was England and the UN who created the state of Israel out of the British mandate of Palestine. Therefore displacing thousands of Palestinians (may of whom are Christians) from their ancestral home.
If it is not one group of people persecuting the Jews it is another. Lately it is the US libs on their case - so why should that surprise me. Can't anyone leave these folks alone, for a change and let them have some peace and quiet in their lives. "Oh the poor Jews". I don't know any Jews who consider themselves victims. I do know one ex-Israeli soldier who's got a condescending if not racist attitude towards the Palestinians. He's a good friend but I wouldn't want him policing the streets of East Jerusalem.
They have a very tiny little bit of land to call their own and they have done wonders with it. Wow, that statement also applies to the Palestinians who were displaced in the creation of Israel. The "nation" of Palestine is one of the poorest ghettos on earth. Why have you no sympathy for them?
People ever pick on them and then resent when they try to defend themselves. This could be applied to the bare majority of Jews in Israel. The majority of Jews in the US have sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians and would like to find a peaceful solution that respects the human rights of both populations.
It figures libs would join the crowd of people who eternally persecute them. My Very Liberal Father fought the Nazis in WWII, had a visceral hatred of Nazis and a great respect for the Jewish people. He initially supported the creation of Israel but also foresaw the never ending struggle between two populations who unfortunately keep electing demagogues as leaders. Rabin and Sadat had it right and they were both assassinated by their own zealots.
Learn your modern history even if you can't bother with ancient history. Stop spouting your empty hatred.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
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It would, Gary, it would. So let me understand this. The Jews have xyz piece of land and have occupied and developed it - this land is called Israel.
And that land was taken from the people who had lived there for centuries.
So are you telling me that they are or have been expanding their borders to surrounding land, pushing out their borders and the people there are being forcibly evicted by them?
Yes, why do you think the Palestinians are pissed off?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Lois is a troll of epic proportion. Karl why do keep taking her bait? Do you thinks she/he/it actually listen to what you are saying?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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A really good internet troll has one goal, to attract attention to themselves by playing the victim when challenged, by being personally insulting in a clever kind of vague manner, and constantly provoking anger and emotions so as to keep the other posters responding to the troll with every reply.
This really good internet troll knows very little of the specifics behind what is being discussed, offers nothing of concrete value, changes the subject frequently in order to avoid being proven specifically wrong, never ever admits to being wrong, and is an expert at appearing to personally wounded and hurt when their own actions cause others to reply in the same insulting manner as the troll.
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