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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Apr 15, 2011 - 09:32pm PT
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Evolution is a scientific theory.
"Creationism" is mere belief, unsupported by evidence.
Two very different things.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Truckee , CA
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Apr 28, 2011 - 02:06pm PT
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"This says it all:"
Yup, another Israeli groveling for support......and upholding lame stereotypes.
Israelis are their own worst enemy, Jeff.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Palestinian youth: New movement, new borders
Palestinian unity agreement only first step in long-term movement, according to Palestinian youth.
Noura Erakat Last Modified: 04 May 2011 08:4
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/05/201153101231834961.html
In the words of Entabwe: "I refuse to become a piece of Israeli society with a different path…I am part of the Palestinian solution and my fate is part of a collective fate. We need a representative government to represent all of us."
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Published 18:52 07.05.11Latest update 18:52 07.05.11
Former Mossad chief: Israel air strike on Iran 'stupidest thing I have ever heard'
In first public appearance since leaving post as Mossad chief, Meir Dagan warns of regional war if Iran is attacked; says fall of Assad regime would benefit Israel.
By Yossi Melman
Tags: Iran Iran nuclear
Former Mossad chief Meir Dagan referred to the possibility a future Israeli Air Force attack on Iranian nuclear facilities as "the stupidest thing I have ever heard" during a conference held at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem on Friday.
Dagan's presentation during a senior faculty conference was his first public appearance since leaving his former role as chief of the Mossad at the end of September 2010.
Dagan said that Iran has a clandestine nuclear infrastructure which functions alongside its legitimate, civil infrastructure. It is the legitimate infrastructure, he said, that is under international supervision by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Any strike on this legitimate infrastructure would be "patently illegal under international law," according to Dagan.
Dagan emphasized that attacking Iran would be different than Israel's successful air strike on Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981. Iran has scattered its nuclear facilities in different places around the country, he said, which would make it difficult for Israel to launch an effective attack.
Former Mossad chief Meir Dagan
Photo by: Nir Keidar
According to Dagan, there is proof that Iran has the capability to divert its nuclear activities from place to place in order to take them out of the watchful eye of international supervision and intelligence agencies. No one in Iran would have any problems in building a centrifuge system in a school basement if they wished to, he said.
The IAF's abilities are not in doubt, Dagan emphasized, but the doubts relate to the possibilities of completing the mission and reaching all targets.
When asked about what would happen in the aftermath of an Israeli attack Dagan said that: "It will be followed by a war with Iran. It is the kind of thing where we know how it starts, but not how it will end."
The Iranians have the capability to fire rockets at Israel for a period of months, and Hizbollah could fire tens of thousands of grad rockets and hundreds of long-range missiles, he said.
At the same time, Tehran can activate Hamas, and there is also a danger that Syria will join the war, Dagan added.
The former Mossad chief expressed disagreement with the opinions of pundits regarding the uprisings across the Middle East since the beginning of 2011 saying that "there is no tsunami of change in the Middle East." He added that events "historical schisms within Arab society."
What sparked the Egyptian people to mass protest on the street was not an "internet revolution," especially considering the fact that most Egyptians do not have computers. In Eygpt, there was no revolution, but regime change, according to Dagan, and he is convinced that there is no chance that the Muslim Brotherhood will gain power because of fears that their taking power will damage the Egyptian economy, particularly income from tourism and U.S. aid.
It will be better for Israel if Syrian President Bashar Assad is removed from power because this will stop help to Hizbollah, and weaken Iranian influence, Dagan said in regards to the situation in Syria. It will also strengthen the Sunni camp in Syria and in the Arab world in general, and these things will be good for Israel strategically, he added.
Dagan believes that Assad will fight to the end. "He has no alternative," Dagan stated.
Hey Fats how come this guy isn't listening to you? Or is that why he is now unemployed?
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dirtbag
climber
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May 11, 2011 - 02:06pm PT
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There is no clash of civilizations, just panicky old men.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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May 12, 2011 - 01:47pm PT
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The clash in Thailand!
As a consequence, during 86 months beginning from January 2004 to February 2011, there were 10,660 incidents of violence, which have led to considerably soaring records of casualties, 4,631 fatalities and 7,505 injuries. The majority of death tolls were Muslims and, on the contrary, most of the injuries constitute the Buddhist civilians. That violence has brought about 12,126 victims within 7 years makes Thailand’s southernmost region one of the hotspot, most sensitive areas in the world.
http://www.deepsouthwatch.org/node/1603
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ahad aham
Trad climber
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May 16, 2011 - 06:28pm PT
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sure, and next week when he grovels before aipac. let's see if he pardons that Pollard scum
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 17, 2011 - 12:53pm PT
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http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/not-all-palestinian-demands-are-a-threat-to-israel-1.362218
Published 01:05 17.05.11Latest update 01:05 17.05.11
**Not all Palestinian demands are a threat to Israel
Nakba Day events were not an attempt to destroy Israel: They simply expressed in a different form the demands the Palestinian leadership has been putting forth for years.**
Haaretz Editorial
The defense minister was right to say he refuses to get excited over the fact that "a few dozen" Palestinians succeeded in entering Israel from Syria and thereby "violated Israel's sovereignty."
Ehud Barak was also right to say that the Israel Defense Forces cannot station thousands of soldiers along the border to prevent such a "violation of sovereignty."
Demonstrators on the border in the Golan Heights, May 15, 2011.
Photo by: Yaron Kaminsky
But it's a pity this approach was lacking when Israel decided to attack a Turkish-sponsored flotilla to Gaza, that it vanishes when Israel uses dogs to chase off Palestinian laborers seeking to "violate its sovereignty" by entering the country to work, and that it's the exact opposite of the manner in which the IDF maintains its meticulous closure of the Gaza Strip.
It turns out that according to Barak, a "violation of sovereignty" is not an existential threat, or even a strategic one. At most, this was an intelligence failure that was partially compensated for by wise judgment on the part of commanders in the field.
And in fact, this is the appropriate attitude for a country that is making little effort to delineate its borders, instead relying on an empty policy that assumes Israel can continue to exist in flexible, unrecognized borders that trespass on territory belonging to other nations.
As a result of this policy, the state's sovereignty has also become flexible rather than absolute. It's no surprise that statements about the events of Nakba Day made much use of words and phrases such as "terror," "threat," "the IDF's deployment," "the number of dead and wounded," "a third intifada" and "the threat we can expect in September."
This is the standard lexicon that the government pulls out whenever it is faced with the need to present real solutions to fundamental problems.
The government all too easily assigns the IDF the job of "being ready for any scenario" and making diplomatic decisions in its stead.
The events of Nakba Day are neither a "reminder" nor a "threat," and they certainly aren't an attempt to destroy the State of Israel. Rather, they reflect the Palestinians' fundamental historical demand for an independent state with recognized sovereignty, within whose framework the refugee problem, too, can be solved.
The Nakba Day events simply expressed in a different form the demands the Palestinian leadership has been putting forth for years, and that Israel has evaded. It is not the IDF that is supposed to provide solutions for these "incidents," but the government.
Yet the latter still has trouble understanding that the next stage is not another intifada, but international pressure and a battle against the great powers.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 17, 2011 - 12:56pm PT
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It turns out that according to Barak, a "violation of sovereignty" is not an existential threat, or even a strategic one. At most, this was an intelligence failure that was partially compensated for by wise judgment on the part of commanders in the field.
And in fact, this is the appropriate attitude for a country that is making little effort to delineate its borders, instead relying on an empty policy that assumes Israel can continue to exist in flexible, unrecognized borders that trespass on territory belonging to other nations.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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May 17, 2011 - 05:53pm PT
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Fatty,
Peaceful Palestinian women and children getting arms, face, legs and just about everything ripped, torn, injured from dogs that Israel is using on their side of the fence.
Guess it better than shooting them EH. Asshole
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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May 17, 2011 - 06:44pm PT
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count me in the other 33%.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 17, 2011 - 10:46pm PT
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Good on ya Coot.
Keep speaking "Truth to Power".
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