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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Sep 24, 2018 - 09:10am PT
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Accusations against Obama... where was he born again?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Sep 24, 2018 - 09:14am PT
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Trump is going to keep bullying whoever is investigating him until he can stifle the investigation...If he was innocent , as he claims , he would let the investigation conclude...The d#@&%e is guilty of obstruction and as Brennan said , treasonous...impeach the clown...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Sep 24, 2018 - 09:49am PT
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Rudy and trump are saving the rosenstein card to be played at a latter date...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 24, 2018 - 11:18am PT
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Kavanaugh is now saying he won't stand down. If he's a true Republican, we should expect to see him double down...
Getting the votes of Murkowski, Collins & Flake is one thing, but he should be equally (if not moreso) concerned with McConnell's shrewd political strategizing. He may very well decide to pull Kavanaugh to make him out as some kind of martyr to rally the base and help save the Senate majority. After the election, he can come back with a much more conservative candidate and shoo them right in.
Essentially, that's the kind of bet he placed in not allowing Garland to be considered in the Senate...he lucked out with that one, and just might be thinking he could do it again.
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hooblie
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from out where the anecdotes roam
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Sep 24, 2018 - 11:28am PT
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the assault on our beautiful republic
in these trumplican times, with 1st crime family & cast of vandals
whacking away at key agencies, norms and non-military branch
brings to mind this american parable: Farmer Jones got out of his car and while heading for his friend's door, noticed a pig with a wooden leg. His curiosity roused, he asked, "Fred, how'd that pig get him a wooden leg?"
"Well, Michael, that's a mighty special pig! A while back a wild boar attacked me while I was walking in the woods. That pig there came a runnin', went after that boar and chased him away. Saved my life!"
"And the boar tore up his leg?"
"No he was fine after that. But a bit later we had that fire. Started in the shed up against the barn. Well, that ole pig started squealin' like he was stuck, woke us up, and 'fore we got out here, the darn thing had herded the other animals out of the barn and saved 'em all!"
"So that's when he hurt his leg, huh, Fred?"
"No, Michael. He was a might winded, though. When my tractor hit a rock and rolled down the hill into the pond I was knocked clean out. When I came to, that pig had dove into the pond and dragged me out 'fore I drownded. Sure did save my life."
"And that was when he hurt his leg?"
"Oh no, he was fine. Cleaned him up, too."
"OK, Fred. So just tell me. How did he get the wooden leg?"
"Well", the farmer tells him, "A pig like that, you don't want to eat all at once!"
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Sep 24, 2018 - 12:21pm PT
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Much more conservative than Kavanaugh? Attila the Hun might qualify.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 24, 2018 - 01:27pm PT
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There's as good a chance as any that Kavanaugh will be withdrawn by McConnell for his own political benefit.
Let Kavanaugh twist a while longer, continue to play the 'smear victim' game, then pull him as close to the elections as possible. Making him a martyr will only rally up the GOP base big time, and potentially help save the Senate for the GOP.
After the elections (assuming a GOP Senate majority), name another judge even more conservative than the first- the Dems are less able to pull any kind of last minute games, and when that judge is confirmed, the GOP base gets smug satisfaction, which can be used in the 2020 election.
Sure, they'd be happy enough with Kavanaugh (if they can get it), and pulling him would really mar his career...but the GOP is well-known for eating it's own, if it means remaining in power.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Sep 24, 2018 - 01:29pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Trump has already invoked the "everybody does it" defense for Kavanaugh's attempted rape. A Retardlican woman on Fox asked, "What young man has not done that?", echoing Trump's deranged logic.
For one, I have never done that.
Trump will probably point out that many in his orbit have lied to the FBI, so it's no big deal for Kavanaugh to join the club.
Trump has applied his flawed "everybody does it" logic to his conspiring with Russians, calling it "normal opposition research".
Trump's flawed logic is that unless all criminals are prosecuted, no criminals should be prosecuted. Or, if some people get away with breaking the law, then everybody should be allowed to get away with breaking the law.
In other words, Trump wants the Gold Standard to be the bottom of the barrel.
Trump was acting crazy, firing James Comey, and then admitting, on TV, that he wanted to obstruct a Federal investigation. The entire White House, and the DOJ, should have been wired to record further evidence of Trump's insanity.
Instead, Trump and his staff insist that truth is not truth, and what you are hearing and reading is not what's going on. Trump's not crazy; everybody else must be crazy.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 24, 2018 - 02:46pm PT
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"You can wipe the lipstick off a pig and dress him up like Broderick Crawford, but he'll still crap in his own sty and wallow in it."
-Antonio Scalawag, Schmidt v. Cal. Highway Patrol (2016) 1 Cal. App. 5th 1287
Oh yeah, and
“It is not acceptable for a big, loud New York bully to attack my wife. It is not acceptable for him to make insults, to send nasty tweets—and I don’t know what he does late at night, but he tends to do these at about 11:30 at night, I assume when his fear is at the highest point,” -Rafael Cruz
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 24, 2018 - 03:49pm PT
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These are allegations of criminal assault
As was held in Schmidt, cited above, law enforcement needs to take the law seriously
If you review the nomination process you will see that the only obvious point is that Trump is trying to pack the Supreme Court with someone who will protect him in defending his criminal behavior
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monolith
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state of being
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Sep 24, 2018 - 04:12pm PT
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Jody, if the repubs rammed thru a vote, the blue wave will be a tsunami.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Sep 24, 2018 - 04:22pm PT
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But there is corroborating evidence, the counseling notes.
The yale incident also has a corroborating witness.
The allegations are credible, just not enough to convict except in the court of opinion.
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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Sep 24, 2018 - 04:51pm PT
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I trust a retired CHPaTroll to pass judgment on those bringing questions of propriety against a a potential lifetime appointee to the high court of the land. Sure, why not. I bet Jody knows something that we don't although we'd probably get it if we could wade into the froth of am radio
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Sep 24, 2018 - 05:02pm PT
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the Republicans should hold the vote ASAP What's the rush Jody? A Supreme Court Justice is there for life; a couple of weeks and a thorough investigation seems a small price to pay to ensure the candidate has integrity. If the accusations are false then okay; if the accusations prove true then Kavanaugh lied under oath. I'm curious about the odd payment of his $200,000 Visa bill and would like clarification on that.
The Republicans refused for a year to even consider Obama's nomination; didn't hear you complaining about that or demanding a vote let alone a hearing be held ASAP.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Sep 24, 2018 - 05:04pm PT
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monolith
Sep 24, 2018 - 04:22pm PT
But there is corroborating evidence, the counseling notes.
The yale incident also has a corroborating witness.
The allegations are credible, just not enough to convict except in the court of opinion.
What do the counselor's notes say? Is Kavanaugh identified? How many guys were there? Two? Or was it four? It's unfortunate that no one else supposedly there has any recollection of the party.
The Yale incident doesn't have any witnesses. Just a guy saying he heard about a similar story.
The allegations are just one person's (actually two) story, with very little details... except "he did it!"
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Sep 24, 2018 - 05:09pm PT
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It's unfortunate that no one else supposedly there has any recollection of the party.
You’ve obviously never been to a Yale party.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Sep 24, 2018 - 05:35pm PT
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why would anyone immediately believe that the Kavenaugh women are "lying"? why?
Donald Trump said ALL the 17 women that have accused him of sexual assault are "lying"
Clearly, women who say these things are liars. Beautiful, simple, clear logic.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Sep 24, 2018 - 05:44pm PT
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Awe, come on Norton. You're not that stupid.
Trump has a long history of being a sexist pig.
Until last week, Kavanaugh had an excellent reputation. During the confirmation hearings, the Dems had nothing to disqualify him. He was a fricking boy scout. Clean history on and off the court.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 24, 2018 - 06:17pm PT
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Weenies? McConnell wasn’t being a weenie when he chose to shirk his constitutional Senate responsibility and refused to bring Merrick Garland to a vote. (Obama was the real weenie there for not just using a recess appointment, believing that Republicans would do the right thing.)
And he sure as hell wasnt a ‘weenie’ when he chose the nuclear option of reconciliation to jam Gorsuch through in a vote.
No, there’s another strategy at work here, below the radar of the ranting of the right and left here. McConnell is a shrewd f*#ker...he’s got other cards to play yet.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 24, 2018 - 06:57pm PT
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Yes, but allegations with not one shred of corroborating evidence is B.S.
You are not the one who determines whether there is evidence.
You don't know if there is evidence or not. The FBI could settle the issue in a straightforward manner, but Trump and his Senate allies are blocking that.
Wonder what they are afraid will be revealed.
Wonder where The Kav's corroborating evidence is? We've only heard him say that he didn't do it.
The Kav was not even under consideration by Trump until he finally got it through his head that he was in severe potential legal jeopardy.
Ha Ha
the Dems had nothing to disqualify him Nobody in the world could have disqualified The Kav, he was greenlighted all the way through.
Dr. Ford took a lie detector test and was found to be truthful.
The other two complainants have volunteered to take lie tests provided that The Kav does likewise.
Why no subpoena for Mark Judge as a witness?
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