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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 18, 2016 - 12:30pm PT
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Yeah. He seems upset about it
Check out the comment at the bottom on his fb page.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jan 18, 2016 - 01:01pm PT
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Gotta take the love where you can get it.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 18, 2016 - 04:58pm PT
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The funny part of that, is that one of the largest ranchers in Harney county, the Williams family, got $300,000 just for protecting sage grouse habitat, which consisted mostly of cutting down Juniper trees for grazing ground.
So far, almost tree quarters of a billion dollars of public money has gone for sage grouse habitat protection, most of it going for chopping down Juniper forests and burning sage brush, which not so coincidentally benefit cattle grazing.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jan 18, 2016 - 05:51pm PT
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The funny part of that, is that one of the largest ranchers in Harney county, the Williams family, got $300,000 just for protecting sage grouse habitat, which consisted mostly of cutting down Juniper trees for grazing ground.
So far, almost tree quarters of a billion dollars of public money has gone for sage grouse habitat protection, most of it going for chopping down Juniper forests and burning sage brush, which not so coincidentally benefit cattle grazing.
For the record, that figure is WAY low if you count all of ION Country.
I think some people have made the erroneous assumption that just because the local ranchers don't want the armed milita folks around means that they support the government. These people know where their bread is buttered.....
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John M
climber
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Jan 18, 2016 - 05:55pm PT
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I think some people have made the erroneous assumption that just because the local ranchers don't want the armed militia folks around means that they support the government.
These people know where their bread is buttered.....
huh? isn't their bread buttered by the government? that is if they are taking government money or getting cheap leases?
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 18, 2016 - 06:23pm PT
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Well, I was just quoting for one government program.
The actual money just for sage grouse from a whole alphabet of government agencies is pretty staggering.
http://www.fws.gov/pdfs/Sagefinalfundingopps.pdf
It's enough that two of the best paid employees of the roaring Springs ranch ( Williams family) are not ranch managers, but an attorney to research grants and a ranch biologist.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jan 18, 2016 - 06:27pm PT
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John M posted huh? isn't their bread buttered by the government? that is if they are taking government money or getting cheap leases?
Again, when you dig down into these viewpoints you often find that these people very much believe in the role of government to intervene in various ways, it's who they are intervening for that creates the problems. The vast majority of Americans believe in government assistance, just not government assistance to people they think doesn't deserve it.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 18, 2016 - 10:18pm PT
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HighDesertDJ! Re your assertion:
The vast majority of Americans believe in government assistance, just not government assistance to people they think doesn't deserve it.
I've never seen that simple truth stated so well! (although I would change doesn't to don't.)
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 18, 2016 - 11:11pm PT
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I thought Romney said it was 47%?
But I guess that depends on who your lobbyist is.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
CA
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Jan 19, 2016 - 07:14am PT
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Looks like the rangers are arming themselves as well;
Federal park rangers at the Mojave National Preserve were packing some serious heat according to a government audit. Agents were carrying fully automatic rifles and bought dozens of flashbang grenades in violation of federal rules.
The Department of the Interior’s inspector general found that “a supervisory park ranger arranged for the purchase of Colt M-4 fully automatic rifles” between 2008 and 2010. Park rangers bought nine of these rifles and allowed them to be carried around on duty for three years before being converted to only fire semi-automatic.
The IG also found that “the supervisory park ranger admitted to purchasing and distributing the automatic weapons despite knowing that they violated NPS policy,” and “admitted telling rangers who received the automatic rifles not to display them to others.” The park official also “admitted to, at a minimum, not making it clear to his supervisors that the automatic weapons needed to
Read more: http://www.kfiam640.com/articles/national-news-104668/park-rangers-illegally-used-tax-dollars-14280887#ixzz3xheSajRI
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jan 19, 2016 - 07:36am PT
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That's funny... I know a local CT woods-cop (aka a "ranger") who also just was issued a full-auto M-4 WITH the M203 grenade launcher on it.
They're all surplus coming back from us winning hearts and minds in the middle east.
We did have fun at the range with it although his department doesn't issue grenades... :(
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jan 19, 2016 - 07:52am PT
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The IG also found that “the supervisory park ranger admitted to purchasing and distributing the automatic weapons despite knowing that they violated NPS policy,” and “admitted telling rangers who received the automatic rifles not to display them to others.” The park official also “admitted to, at a minimum, not making it clear to his supervisors that the automatic weapons needed to
The JTree rangers got big weapons upgrades once the national park money started flowing. It was like watching an afghan find reverse in a Russian tank.
I had to help one ranger put his Mossberg back together one night after he had taken it apart to clean it. Only it was apparently against policy to allow a mere "civilian" to touch his service weapon so I had to describe it to him and let him do it himself.
That was back in the mid 90s Lord knows what weaponry they are rolling with now....
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 19, 2016 - 09:27am PT
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The wiki on the M41A does say it is favored for use against terrorists. Sounds like they have the right weapon.
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Jan 19, 2016 - 12:29pm PT
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Yesterday afternoon I took over Turnbull Wildlife Refuge in Northeastern Washington. My reasons were that I wanted some peace, freedom and liberty and I would NOT be denied. There were a few other visitors, namely a pre-school class that I had to scowl at to get them to leave. I took it over yesterday knowing that the federal staff had the day off on MLK day. I didn't need any stinking weapons, when you can frighten a 4 year old girl just by looking at her, you know your bada$$.
http://www.fws.gov/refuge/Turnbull/
Admittedly, my wife and I probably broke a few rules. Leaving ammonia and urea is more than just foot prints. And we had the nerve to wander off trail in pursuit of freedom. It was only through my exquisite route finding skills that we didn't get lost and become coyote food (I guess wandering off trail is also a violation).
We ran into one government scheme that is set up to render us freedom fighters senseless. No, it wasn't a 12 pack of Coors. The ponds at Turnbull drain underneath the visitors bridge. The smell of H2S is very strong at these points. You see, even in the cold in the depths of the water it is anaerobic, so any Sulfur gets reduced by bacteria which creates a most unpleasant odor. Even the pre-schoolers caught onto this telling each other to "hurry across the bridge" because of the bad smell.
Unlike those dummies at Malheur, my exit strategy was thought out before hand. In the event that I could not get cell service or break into a nice warm federal building, I would have to find my truck, start it up and drive off so I could post to the internet later. Sorry I had no time to post pictures. I didn't see any wildlife, except for scat. Obviously this place, like Malheur is a ruse to take our freedom.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jan 19, 2016 - 12:34pm PT
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Did you "tweet" for more snacks while you were occupying?
I occupied several government properties briefly this past weekend as well. What a rush. I will continue to return until my demands are met..... then I'll still probably return...
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 19, 2016 - 12:41pm PT
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Fear not, golsen, I'm sending you a hefty supply
of dildos right away.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Jan 19, 2016 - 01:08pm PT
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I occupied Cap Rock Sunday. Still trying to find my way off. It's confusing.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 19, 2016 - 02:08pm PT
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The 9th circuit, which ruled on the mandatory minimum sentence for the Hammonds, has been busy today.
9th Circuit blasts judge who ruled for rancher, boots him from grazing-rights case
By Martha Neil
Jan 19, 2016, 12:10 pm CST
A federal appeals court not only vacated and reversed portions of a judgment in a high-profile Nevada grazing-rights case on Friday but booted the trial judge from the case on remand.
Saying that U.S. District Judge Robert Clive Jones had displayed bias against the federal government and grossly abused his contempt power, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals instructed the district’s chief judge to assign the case to another jurist.
At issue was whether the defendant rancher, E. Wayne Hage, who is now deceased, and his son, Wayne Hage, who is currently defending the case, had grazed cattle on federal land without authorization. Indeed, Jones found that is what happened, the San Francisco-based appeals court said in its written opinion (PDF). However, instead of granting the feds the injunctive relief and damages they sought, Jones took another approach.
“Defendants openly trespassed on federal lands. Rather than simply resolving the fact-specific inquiries as to when and where the cattle grazed illegally, the district court applied an ‘easement by necessity’ theory that plainly contravenes the law,” the 9th Circuit panel wrote in an opinion authored by Judge Susan Graber. “The district court also encouraged defendants to file a counterclaim that was clearly time-barred. … Moreover, as discussed more fully in a separate disposition filed today, the court grossly abused the power of contempt by holding two federal agency officials in contempt of court for taking ordinary, lawful actions that had no effect whatsoever on this case.”
The defendants argued that, because they had water rights, a necessary easement over federal lands to get their cattle to the water was implied. However, that argument is contravened by long-standing precedent, the opinion says.
In a separate opinion that is not published, the appeals court reversed the contempt citations Jones made against the Bureau of Land Management and U.S. Forest Service employees, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reports.
Hage said the 9th Circuit ruling “is a big disappointment, not just for my family but for the entire industry,” the newspaper reports.
“They felt relief at the Jones decision. Ranchers’ rights had been upheld, but now it has all been overturned,” Hage continued. “It looks to me like the 9th Circuit just swelled the ranks of the militias.”
He said he himself is not involved in the militia movement, but feels members’ frustration with the government.
http://www.abajournal.com/mobile/article/9th_Circuit_blasts_judge_who_ruled_for_rancher_boots_him_from_grazing-righ
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