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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 27, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
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Smeely KellEy wrote: I'm referring to the grid bolting at Shelf Road and in the SLV
Genius...they are climbing area...many people have done routes there...please give examples.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Sep 27, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
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What I see is a bunch of folks only interested in talking and having no interest in listening. You all will be shitting your pants in a nursing home and the kids will be doing what they damned well want anyway, so why stress over all this?
ps, great climbing photos Bobby D, very uplifting stuff. The words: perhaps not so much.
LOL
Take care all
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 27, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
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When back and grid bolted this boulder at Ute Pass.
Couch wrote: ps, great climbing photos Bobby D, very uplifting stuff. The words: perhaps not so much.
Thanks and maybe you can tell me how to deal with someone who tell lies about you?
Next bolting project.
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Sep 27, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
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You guys need to leave Bob alone. It's one thing if you have met in person and know you can joke around, it's another to talk sh#t anonymously behind a computer. Bob's a delicate flower and can only handle this abuse for so long before his heart assplodes.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Sep 27, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
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I still climb 5.12 trad, that is after a heart attack and having open heart surgery. I still do trad FA's.
Want to fight? Fly up here and we can duke it out.
Challenging a guy who's had a heart attack and probably twice your age to a fight. Classy.
Keep trying to win dude, we're rootin for ya!
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Sep 27, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
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"Thanks and maybe you can tell me how to deal with someone who tell lies about you?"
You were know as Bolting Bob long before I came around. Don't pretend like it's the first time you've heard it. Got your ticket yet?
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Sep 27, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
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"Challenging a guy who's had a heart attack and probably twice your age to a fight. Classy."
Compton it's Bob's idea
Bob what happen to the let's fight comment? The one you went back and edited. Something about "it's what men do".
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 27, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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Funny how these threads drift...This was about retrobolting established climbs in certain areas...personal attacks start because the accusers have nothing left but lies in quiver.
John...you mean this? "you have an issue with someone deal with it face to face and discuss it, that is men do".
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Sep 27, 2013 - 04:17pm PT
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Nice rewording Bob. We both know what you originally wrote.
So... back to my question. What brought on the change from ground up to top down? What was wrong with climbs starting from the ground? Why the power drill? After all if it wasn't for the power drill there would be far fewer bolts.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 27, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
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John...since you have never once answer my asking you for proof of your claims and I have given you facts in return to dispels your claims...here is another fact.
It is fun.
Just in case you didn't/can't read...
Oh, in 1992 I was the Colorado BLM State Volunteer Of The Year and national finalist for the work I did in the San Luis Valley.
We just did two anchor replacement and trail work in the SLV with the BLM in the last two years that I organized. Up dating gear/bolts, working on trail and other tasks that the BLM doesn't have resources for.
We are doing one at Shelf Rd this November with the American Alpine Club that I organized.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Sep 27, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
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Thats like asking a fundamentalist why sex is a problem. Sex is for procreation only, not for enjoyment.
Bolts are ok for convenience anchors, or drilled on lead are ok... but as soon as you rap bolt: you become a bolt whore.
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allapah
climber
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Sep 27, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
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Bolts are a problem because they increase the leverage of humans over the stone. When humans increase their leverage over the Earth with technology, the delicate balance of ecosystems gets thrown out of balance. We seem to be a species incapable of regulating our leverage over our environment, which is leading us towards extinction. Was not the first ascent law designed to regulate our leverage over the rock? By letting the "climbing elite" set the number of bolts (by doing run-outs several grades below their ability), it is just one mechanism for limiting our control of nature. Too much control over nature leads to our own destruction; witness the various environmental disasters going on in the world. We humans need to be limited!
Anthropomorphism was mentioned up-thread. The definition is pretty obvious.
In the pre-Copernican age, our worldview was Earth-centered; we believed the Sun revolved around the Earth. We are still stuck in an age where we believe that the EArth's resources were put there for human use. This whole thread assumes that the Law of the First ascent is there for the climber's sake. But who represents the rights of the stone itself?
Fewer bolts = better style, because fewer bolts takes advantage of the rock less. The more "handicaps" placed on the climber, the better style (Games Climbers Play). Big run-outs are a handicap, because they require more sack. More bolts, less of a handicap, cause it's not as scary.
I can't believe you have sucked me into posting these pontifications like a Penthouse Pundit. Any logic is overrided by DO WHAT THOU WILT SHALL BE THE WHOLE OF THE LAW.
jabs, when are you gonna get the laser installed? these people got way too much down time, i gotta go back to 4th grade...
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allapah
climber
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Sep 27, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
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at what point is sex sexual assault?
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Sep 27, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
Sep 27, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
Thats like asking a fundamentalist why sex is a problem. Sex is for procreation only, not for enjoyment.
Bolts are ok for convenience anchors, or drilled on lead are ok... but as soon as you rap bolt: you become a bolt whore.
Convenience bolts should get the chop too. Bolts should be used as sparingly as possible or not at all. Power drill should only be used on construction projects not for climbing. Rap bolting is chicken but it takes more than that to become a "bolt whore". Bob could explain how to become a "bolt whore" for you.
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Sep 27, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
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Shelf Road and the SLV are both grid bolted atrocities. Thanks in part, mostly, to Bolting Bob. That's a fact
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 27, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
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Chim wrote: An entertaining read, but going a bit off topic.
So funny Chim...it when off topic when Smelly KellEy started his rants against me but you had little to say about that.
Jebus...thanks, it has been a lot of fun.
Sad little man in Alaska. More than likely has a picture of me hanging in his bedroom...creepy.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Sep 27, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
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Wow. Just wow. What an epic shitshow. Both sides definitely wallowed in the mud here and posted sh#t they should be embarrassed about. The one standout was Bob. Bob pretty much dropped the pimp-hand on everyone who f*#ked with him.
This has been entertaining. Thanks for posting the pics, Bob!
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Sep 27, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
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Shelf Road and the SLV are both grid bolted atrocities.
John Kelly.... who made you the judge???????
I know lots of folks who have a ton of fun climbing at those places.
Why don't you just stay away???
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 27, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
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SeeR wrote: And for fuk sake, give us all a break.
The SeeR
Like a moth to flame you keep coming back for the attention. What a little coward/d#@&%e.
Do you really think it is funny talking about my failing heart knowing that I had open heart surgery?
SeeR wrote: When faced with negative banter Bob, (failing heart) resort to violence
And you call me pathetic.
WTF is wrong with you?
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