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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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K-man,
You can't let VP Dick Cheney and the Neocons off the hook. All the evidence so far really points to their clear involvement.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dingus, I pointed to a PDF file.
Not one source has denied the veracity of these fireman's transcripts. Don't you think The Believers would, if they could?
I guess it comes down to "how do you believe *anything* that is told to you?"
The 9-11 Commission Report. It's on a web site. How do you believe they even had a 9-11 Commission? Did you read about it in print, on a web site, or were you there in person?
If you were there in person, how do you know the Universe you experienced was indeed the same one others experience? (This is not a stupid question, it's the forefront of quantum mechanics research, which I guess is all just BS because you can't believe you even have a nose.)
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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How do we know 9-11 happened? I mean, it was a video that you saw, right? Why do you believe that?
Because lots of people said they SAW it happen. Just like lots of fireman and civilians said they SAW explosions. There is tape of it. There are eye-witness accounts.
Man-o-mighty, what are we dealing with here??
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raymond phule
climber
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So Lawyer is supposed to be an expert about pulverizing of concrete? What about something from a scientist? O that was already posted above. I think two times. Did you just ignore that link?
What he said in the youtube video regarding the code has also already been debunked earlier in the thread.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Klimmer, I make no claims as to who or why the events happened. Evidence might point one way, however I do not believe that either Bush or Cheney, in their capacity as POTUS and VPOTUS, planned these events. It's my belief, however, that the events took many years to plan and carry out.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Man-o-mighty, what are we dealing with here??
We're dealing with an event that killed thousands of people for which the exact causes and timeline are still not entirely known. People then fill that ambiguity with their own bias, bullsh#t, and political agenda.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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raymond, I proved that the most important part of Erik Laywer's video speech was NOT debunked. And that is that NIST lied about why the did not test for explosives.
The said they didn't test because "Nobody reported explosions." [paraphrase]
But I can prove to you that MANY people reported explosions.
Even monolith said he saw them. The were coming our of Lockers ass.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Port, upthread I posted a very interesting compilation of the timeline of the 9-11 events. It is really interesting:
http://www.911timeline.net/
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raymond phule
climber
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Why should I care about what you now think was the most important point in his speech? You first wrote that the pulverized concrete part where very interesting.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Us climbers form an open society. We are know one to another. Where did you enter it?
Rox,
and that has bearing on this conversation? or killing wolves? or dissing all of california?
just curious.
FWIW i have climbed in about 20 states and two different countries for nearly 40 years. did FA's in about 5 states. and i dont need anyone's confirmation from this web site either on my engineering and project management abiliites or my climbing background.
fact: you are an angry unemployed POS that needs respect here on this site. you said that remember?
fact: if 5 years ago when you were bitchin about losin your job you would have gone back to school you might have actually been a valuable member of society instead of an unemployed useless internet f&ktard. but you gave up. it was too hard, you whined. and whats more, you pretend to know something about being an engineer when you have'nt a f*king clue!
fact: you can GFYS and the horse you rode in on.
i was tryin not to hurt your feelings by calling you on your $hit, but i have nno problem with pointing out the truth of your situation as you seem to want to argue with others.
now i have done it....wasted another 3 minutes typing a response to some loser who has given up in life and who gets his rocks off by howling at the moon (just like the wolves that he loves so dearly).
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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raymond, it's not what I 'now' think. it's what I said was most important when i posted the two links together, Lawyer's speech and the video of all the folks talking about the explosions.
I went through the debunking piece and found it to me mostly a hit piece that was put together to discredit Laywer, and not the claims he was making. Shoot the messenger and all.
raymond, are you satisfied with the fact that NIST lied about why they did not do an explosives test? With all the evidence (physical, in pictures, eye-witness accounts), don't you think that a thorough investigation would have at least wanted to look into it? I mean, they did spend $14 Million of your tax-payer dollars.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Thread is moving too fast, the heat is overwhelming, must jump...
yeah, thats what happens when the most stressful part of your day is changing your underwear and posting on ST....
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raymond phule
climber
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K-man why don't you just say that Lawyer is wrong about the claim that you first found interesting?
Yes, some one tried to discredit Lawyer and he did a pretty good job with exactly that. It is possibly that Lawyer where also correct about something. I don't know and I don't know enough about the issue with bombs to really have an opinion.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Hawkspit and the Random Phool don't even have an AVATAR, how lame is that?
oh, ouch. a deathblow! what an insult!
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so you have changed your response what, three times now? feeling better there rokjox?
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raymond phule
climber
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Hawkspit and the Random Phool don't even have an AVATAR, how lame is that?
Why do you care if people have an avatar or not?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Yeah, I gotta admit, I find the levels of concrete dust to be weak, to my mind. Apparently they used shitloads of drywall for fire retardant in the shafts, and other places like interior walls. The thin pans of floor concrete may have been usually brittle as being so thin and made with lighteners, they weren't structural in the way some building use them. AS the pans bent and vibrated they could have shattered a lot of concrete and mixed with all that gypsum powder the actual amount of concrete would be difficult to describe. The exterior had some coating on it too.
Hard to imagine what an ordinary amount of concrete pulverizing and breakup might be expected, the construction was rather different than typical.
Just to keep hope alive, occasionally admitting an opposition score is realistic. Having learned that its possible what I had previously learned about the "cores" is not true, I have modified some of my stance on the way the Towers fell. I now believe they fell as designed. That it would have been hard for them to fall any other way.
I had been misinformed on the design of the core members.
some of these points are brilliantly assinine....
Apparently they used shitloads of drywall for fire retardant in the shafts, and other places like interior walls.
drywall is a standard building material found in almost all commercial structures from malls to hospitals. to increase the typical fire rating (per CODE) you install a fire rated rock and sometimes double layer it to get the desired fire rating. - of course they fricking used shitloads of drywall. all emergency egress stairwells are probably double 5/8" and sometimes special 1 1/8" rock. Rox, you are a moron.
I now believe they fell as designed.
buildings are not designed to fall but rather to withstand various forces from seismic to wind. duh! rox you are a moron.
try to imagine any concrete slab dropped 500 feet and imagine how it might disentegrate. 1000' now imagine tons of steel landing on top of it. yes you guessed it. like klimwit posted...."high order damage"....
at least try to avoid sounding like such an idiot. you may have to change your avatar again. try einstein this time and maybe it will remind you to try and think.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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I think that a guy who has been such a force in the climbing world for 40 years
pull your head out. i never said i was a force in the climbing community. and like others on this site, have chosen not to use my name because there are mentally unstable jerkoffs who can't handle being called on their $hit. like you.
40 years and you are afraid of the climbers on this site. Too many of them like ME.
i am afraid of nobody face to face but you can think that way if it increases your own delusional self worth.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Maybe your Avatar could be a Big Plastic Prick?
i would not want to get you all excited.
Having spent a couple decades drawing the plans that let workers build walls (and buildings and all manner of other things), having worked inside the construction industry as labor and tradesman, I well know how much drywall is used, that was my point.
well its a good thing you are retired cuz you dont know shit!
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 9, 2011 - 06:06pm PT
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