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Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 30, 2011 - 09:14am PT
Crack wrote: Are you trying to make me justify high spending, foreign nation building, and republicans in general? Because anyone who knows me knows I would rather climb slab in a boa.

My business is none of your business


No I just asked a few simple questions which you have no anwser for. Just like your 'Twinkie" anwser...weak sauce.
dirtbag

climber
Sep 30, 2011 - 09:45am PT
So, dirtbag, if someone put a gun to your head and FORCED you to pick a GOP candidate of the current lot - which one would it be?

Jon Huntsman.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 30, 2011 - 09:52am PT
Retards...

dirtbag

climber
Sep 30, 2011 - 09:55am PT
Hey, I've got mine, screw everyone else.
Gary

climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
Sep 30, 2011 - 10:37am PT
GOP voters in action:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/oregon-couple-convicted-in-sons-faith-healing-death.html

It was a home video not much different than those countless parents take of their baby's first minutes. In it, tiny David Hickman looked much like any other newborn: waving his arms, crying vigorously.

Later that night, though, the prematurely born infant started having trouble breathing. His movements slowed. His father, Dale Hickman, anointed him with olive oil, held him in his arms and watched him die. No one called a doctor--Hickman and his wife, Shannon, are members of Oregon's Followers of Christ, a faith-healing church that advocates leaving human fate in the hands of God.

The Hickmans face sentencing on Oct. 31 after a jury in Clackamas County, Ore., convicted them Thursday of second-degree manslaughter in the 2009 death of their son.
The case is the fourth in recent years involving members of the Oregon City-based church, which led Oregon lawmakers in June to end the last remnants of provisions in state law that allow spiritual healing as a defense in homicide cases. Two other children linked to the Followers of Christ have died since 2008, and a third suffered serious medical repercussions.

Shannon Hickman said she had no access to a phone but in any case relied on her husband to make the decision about whether to call for help.

"I can say what I feel, but ultimately, he decides. It's kind of a fine line because I don't want to disobey him or anger him," she said. "If I gave him my opinion, and he told me to shut up and I didn't, then my marriage could be in jeopardy. I have to submit to my husband."
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Sep 30, 2011 - 10:46am PT
I don't waste substantial remarks on the last post of a page
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Sep 30, 2011 - 10:51am PT
Of course banks want Government on their side, and all the perks they get from that relationship. But Government sho
uld not be giving them those perks - and we need to hold them to that standard.

You might be under the delusion that people are aware and informed. They are not. Democracy relies on good press and people paying attention to it. As long as people are busy and halfway comfortable, they don't pay good attention (except for a minority)

and those corporations have bought the media that controls public opinion. Notice the Occupy wall street protests get almost no mainstream press even though they are spreading to many cities and 80 people were arrested one day?

When It costs hundreds of millions to get elected president and big bucks for other offices as well, campaign contributions count more than votes because votes can be bought with media but campaign cash is mainly bought with access and favors.

It was totally transparently opaque during the Bush years. Bush would announce "Healthy Forests'" for logging proposals and announce unfounded terrorist alerts anytime they wanted to use fear to get what they wanted. All irrational civil rights grabbing changes would be announced Friday late so media coverage would be lame and unnoticed.

We are not going to hold government to standards until we wake up and that won't happen until things get bad, so maybe soon! When that happens, look for all the Bush homeland security police state terrorist laws to be used against dissent and protest. They see it coming, we don't

Peace

Karl
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Sep 30, 2011 - 11:42am PT
doh!

barry's "buffett rule" rejected by...er...um...buffett?


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/30/warren_buffett_does_not_endorse_buffett_rule.html
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Sep 30, 2011 - 11:50am PT
Bookwormm wrote

doh!

barry's "buffett rule" rejected by...er...um...buffett?

Here's the actual text of what Buffet said. I think you show your colors by using the loaded word "Rejected" when nothing of the sort was said


CNBC: "Does that mean you disagree with the president's new jobs proposal which would be paid for by raising taxes on households with incomes of over $250,000."

Buffett: "That's another program that I won't be discussing. My program is to have a tax on ultra-rich people who are very tax rates. Not just all rich people. It would probably apply to 50,000 people in a population of 300 million."
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 30, 2011 - 12:01pm PT
The answer to all of our problems is Twinkies.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Sep 30, 2011 - 12:28pm PT
When It costs hundreds of millions to get elected president and big bucks for other offices as well, campaign contributions count more than votes because votes can be bought with media but campaign cash is mainly bought with access and favors.

And Mr Obama's budget for the coming "election" is 1 billion. What could that mean?

More huge loan gaurantees redeemed on the backs of tomorrows taxpayers to solar energy companies run by cronies and family members of Democrat leadership?

More assault weapons sales to straw buyers for Mexican drug lords?

More $ to GM (whose bond holders were shafted) so Cadillacs and Volts can be made in China?

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 30, 2011 - 12:39pm PT
The Chicago Way has filtered over to Phily.

Dems shake down judges for $10,000 each.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20110930_Campaigning_Philadelphia_judges_say_Democrats_sought__10_000_donations.html?cmpid=124488469

Maybe the Chicago way is really the Democrat Way.
Gary

climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
Sep 30, 2011 - 12:42pm PT
And Mr Obama's budget for the coming "election" is 1 billion. What could that mean?

It means we have a government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations.

The two parties have transformed into nothing more than factions of the Corporate Party. Nothing wrong with corporate interests being represented in government, but when government represents corporations to the exclusion of the people's and the nation's best interest we get, well we get what we got.

I just read something somewhere like:
"I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one."
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 30, 2011 - 12:58pm PT
Wall Street Not Backing Obama:


Reporting from New York— The race is on to tap one of the most vital sources of campaign cash — Wall Street — and the early results are not looking good for President Obama.

The president's campaign struggled this week to sell out a fundraising dinner Friday at Manhattan's gilded Four Seasons restaurant despite its being hosted by America's No. 1 capitalist, Warren Buffett, according to people close to the campaign who were not authorized to speak publicly. The dinner for 100 was also a relative bargain at $10,000 a plate; recent fundraisers in Hollywood and New York have gone for $35,800 a pop.

The episode highlights a worrying trend for the Obama campaign. Wall Street, a key contributor to Obama in 2008, seems to be switching allegiances.

"His record has been one of reform and that has been an uncomfortable process for some of the major sources of political cash," said Sheila Krumholz, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks political fundraising.





Wall Street Does NOT like Regulation, likes Romney:


Wall Street appears to be lining up behind Republican Mitt Romney, who became Massachusetts governor after founding private-equity firm Bain Capital. He held a sold-out breakfast fundraiser at the exclusive Essex House hotel Tuesday. That was preceded by a breakfast with one of the biggest names on Wall Street, JPMorgan Chase & Co. CEO Jamie Dimon.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 30, 2011 - 01:16pm PT
kris...More huge loan gaurantees redeemed on the backs of tomorrows taxpayers to solar energy companies run by cronies and family members of Democrat leadership?


Can you actually provide some proof.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64727.html
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Sep 30, 2011 - 01:29pm PT
Bob,

This is a highly biased source, but it provides some details of the allegations:

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/09/30/morning-bell-the-solyndra-legacies/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell

On an entirely different topic, thanks for those wonderful pictures you post on FB.

John
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 30, 2011 - 01:31pm PT
Bob,

I am thinking it over and I have not come to a decision. I hear conflicting views and I have not decided who or which "side" speaks the "truth." Your comments are absolutely superb and right on target. The problem is that I don't know whether I need to change "me" so as to fit into an expectation or norm of a given place or whether I am in the "wrong" place and "changing" to fit a standard is not such a good idea. To hear some tell the story, I am the minion of Satan sent here to make people's otherwise idyllic lives on ST quite miserable. It is people like you, however, who make me think maybe the place IS worth sticking around for.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 30, 2011 - 01:50pm PT
Good for Obama, he can be ruthless, how do you libs feel about that.
fattrad
good point. He was also a US Citizen by birth. Most of us "liberals" probably don't have a knee-jerk reaction of !WAHOO! and dance in the streets. I didn't. It raises legal and ethical questions about the modern nature of warfare. Of course we haven't formally declared war since Dec 8, 1941 (what do the strict constructionist Republicans think about that?).
Sometimes good is the lesser of two evils and blowing away Al Walaki with his entourage was definitely a good thing. I'd be happier if they could have captured him and put him on trial.
There'd be a whole lot more Holocaust Deniers than there are now if there'd never been the Nuremburg Trials after WWII.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 30, 2011 - 01:52pm PT
John wrote: This is a highly biased source, but it provides some details of the allegations.

Allegations seems to be the key word here...one of the main investors in the company was a business owned by the Walton family (wal-mart) but you here nothing of their involvement.

Thanks and glad you like the photos. I'm driving down to Copper Canyon and then over to Alamos for some birding with my two boys next week. Hope to get a few good pictures out of the trip.

Hope all is well and that life is good?

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 30, 2011 - 02:04pm PT
Locker,

The only climbing I do nowadays is out of bed with the crux move getting onto the toilet.

I will see if I can get you a photo.

BUT, I smell a challenge to justify MY "right" to post here, NOT being a current climber and all

And all I can tell you is that I live vicariously, climbing wise, through my Niece, Majka Burhardt. She was on the cover of Climbing Magazine in August, and is a regular contributor to that magazine and also Alpinist, in addition to publishing climbing books such as Vertical Ethiopia.

MY involvement with her includes regular climbing "talk", along with being asked to comment on her articles prior to submission.

So, NO, I am NOT a climber, and have said so from my beginning posts.
I DO however, personally admire strongly the challenge, lifestyle, and courage of climbers, and follow closely almost all climbing articles on the national level.
My particular interest is the 50s, 60s, and 70s era of Yosemite big wall climbing.

Now if the above is not enough, then notify Fattrad, he can surely get me banned.
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