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EdwardT
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Jun 20, 2016 - 09:58am PT
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:00am PT
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Well, alright then...that makes about four ST conservatives who are out of the closet with their dislike for Trump, and will not be voting for him. Good on ya.
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dirtbag
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:10am PT
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Edward has been consistent on that point for awhile now.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:30am PT
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Trump's campaign implosion has officially commenced.
Trump fired his campaign manager Corey "Niedermeyer" Lowandowski.
Trump relied heavily on Lowandowski to secure the nomination. Trump promised to stand by Lowandowski, no matter what. Trump praised Lowandowski as a great guy who was going to be an important part of his administration.
Now that Trump has the nomination well in hand, he has no more use for Lowandowski, and Trump has simply discarded him as if he were the paper wrapper of a McDonald's cheeseburger.
The Lowandowski Affair is indicative of Trump's loyalty to his friends and employees: wholly contingent on what Trump perceives to be his gain in the relationship.
Trump's shares a twisted concept of a BFF (Best Friend Forever) with an equally fickle Paris Hilton. If truth be told, those two would refer to their latest pal as their BFFFN - Best Friend Forever, For Now.
http://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Donald-Trump-parts-ways-with-his-campaign-manager-8313050.php
Trump is apparently confused about the difference between nightclub patrons staggering around with loaded firearms, and security guards.
Trump lamented that patrons killed at the Orlando nightclub were not locked and loaded, strapped and carrying. He said, "It's too bad that some of the young people that were killed over the weekend didn't have guns, you know, attached to their hips."
Soon after that, in fine Trumpian style, he dismissed that concept as not ever having come out of his big mouth. He denied suggesting that nightclub patrons should carry loaded firearms while trading shots of Daniel's Jack before aggressively competing for sexual partners.
Trump insisted that his words meant that security guards should be carrying firearms in nightclubs.
First of all, Trump's statement clearly proposed that the patrons be the ones carrying guns, "strapped to their waist and strapped to their ankles". Trump, once again, lied to the public in an attempt to conjure Orwell's Memory Hole and revise history.
Second, if Trump was truly referring to security guards, then his statement is equivalent to: "Security guards armed with guns could have shot back at the Orlando nightclub shooter."
That's not exactly revelatory, or inobvious.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/Trump-US-should-consider-profiling-Muslims-8312546.php
EDIT UPDATE:
Neidermeyer is in denial.
He is still hoping for a position in the Trump Administration.
Like a dumped girlfriend who frenetically praises her ex-boyfriend through gritted teeth while silently praying for reconciliation, Lowandowski is barfing rainbows at Trump.
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/politics-government/article84835787.html#storylink=latest_side
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apogee
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:33am PT
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Trump actually had a campaign manager?
Musta been an easy job- your candidate wants to do everything themselves, say anything they want, anytime...
Maybe I should apply.
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dirtbag
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:35am PT
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He's going to have an increasingly tough time attracting talented people.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:45am PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Roger Stone is rather talented and nefarious.
The Gin Grinch is agitating to be Trump's V.P.
Vladimir Putin will arrive on the Trump stage any day now.
Don't underestimate Donald D#@&%e just yet.
Alexander the Great's father, Alfred, lost an eye in battle, but that didn't hinder his military prowess.
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EdwardT
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:45am PT
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apogee
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:00am PT
Well, alright then...that makes about four ST conservatives who are out of the closet with their dislike for Trump, and will not be voting for him. Good on ya.
Is this how you own up to being full of sh!t?
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apogee
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:49am PT
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Lighten up, Edward. Ferchrissakes.
Edit:
Let's be clear, though...just because you aren't voting for Trump (+1) doesn't mean you haven't guzzled the GOP Kool-Aid...your posts are pretty regular testament to that.
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jstan
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:06am PT
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Suicide, suicide bombing, and suicide by guns are extreme answers to life problems. A form of denial I think. They also are based upon the belief that very complex problems can be solved quickly and easily by a single action. Our elections and our two party political system are founded on that self-same opinion. Which is as one might expect. The original problem that led to our form of government involved throwing the Brits out.
It has been speculated that the obdurate polarization between our two parties suggests we actually are in transition to a parliamentary system. Seventeen candidates offered by just one party is rather new after all.
We face very complex problems that generally will take more than one try to find a response large numbers of people will be able to support. A parliamentary system allowing control to be transferred when a vote of confidence is lost may be more flexible. But there are functions of government, like our Supreme Court, that may not adapt well to such a change. And in the presence of severe polarization no one in their right mind would attempt constitutional amendment.
So, is there a way forward? Clearly we have to accept up front it will take several generations. Not a time to be in a hurry in search of a simple answer. Unless we want a tyrant backed by military force. Such an answer will be offered us. Only a matter of time. Perhaps a very short time.
Jefferson realized what we created, at its roots, was based upon an educated electorate that also realizes we have a lot to lose. Knowledge of history allows one to assess that risk.
We have a lot of work to do.
Number 10 in the Federalist Papers might be a place to start. Wiki describes this paper as follows.
Madison saw the the Constitution as forming a "happy combination" of a republic and a democracy and with "the great and aggregate interests being referred to the national, the local and particular to the State legislatures" the power would not be centralized in a way that would make it "more difficult for unworthy candidates to practice the vicious arts by which elections are too often carried."
I would call your attention to the next to last paragraph in which Madison discusses the utility of distributing power both to the states and to the Federal bodies.
The influence of factious leaders may kindle a flame within their particular States, but will be unable to spread a general conflagration through the other States. A religious sect may degenerate into a political faction in a part of the Confederacy; but the variety of sects dispersed over the entire face of it must secure the national councils against any danger from that source. A rage for paper money, for an abolition of debts, for an equal division of property, or for any other improper or wicked project, will be less apt to pervade the whole body of the Union than a particular member of it; in the same proportion as such a malady is more likely to taint a particular county or district, than an entire State.
Madison did not expect the internet or perhaps the Citizens United decision.
We have new things with which to contend.
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10b4me
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:20am PT
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Apogee why are sooooooo inappropriate all the time? I think your mind is a seathing cesspool.
wait a minute. klimmer, you're the one that gets off when people think your daughter is your girlfriend. Now that's inappropriate.
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dirtbag
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:24am PT
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Roger Stone is rather talented and nefarious.
Dude has a tattoo of nixon's face on his back. No, this is not photoshopped, dude really does have this tattoo.
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dirtbag
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:24am PT
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Sorry, I just realized that many of you will have trouble unseeing that.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:39am PT
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Donald Trump's Make America Great "Again" plan.
Used to say Trump Plaza on the front of it.
Taking out the bandits.
That's right ladies and gents, he's the man with the plan!!
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:55am PT
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For Klimmer, the 'teacher':
'seething'
For Klimmer, the 'teacher':
'Seether'
[Click to View YouTube Video]
A little Veruca Salt now and then is not the worst thing . . . . . . .
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:55am PT
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jstan:
Excellent post.
Representative democracies require an intelligent and responsible citizenry that understands nuances.
Our affluence has dumbed us down and made us fat. We are now so egalitarian that the dumb and the weak are far outbreeding the smart and the strong.
The advance of civilization is not on a linear upward slope.
Yikes, how am I going to unsee that Nixon tat?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:58am PT
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Lighten up, Edward. Ferchrissakes.
Oh Apogee, you crap on people on a regular basis. Now you're getting defensive about called on it. Funny.
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Let's be clear, though...just because you aren't voting for Trump (+1) doesn't mean you haven't guzzled the GOP Kool-Aid...your posts are pretty regular testament to that.
Sure thing, Sporto. Like my recent comments about changing gun laws?
Edit: Thanks dirtbag.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:59am PT
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Locker, you need to purchase a programme so that you can tell one player from the next.
That is a photo of Richard Chamberlain, not David Duke.
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apogee
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Jun 20, 2016 - 12:08pm PT
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More like 'calling you out', Edward.
Thick skin. Get one.
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