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monolith
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SF bay area
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Oct 30, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
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LOL, Chief. Give me your definition of Directly Regulated.
These industries are among the most regulated.
Do ya think your corner gas station can store the gas in any container they like, for example?
Do ya think power companies can just put up power lines anywhere without government approval?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Oct 30, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
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So what?
Trying to change the subject?
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Oct 30, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
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The investor-owned (private) utilities are regulated by public utility commissions; the latter follow state law but also have to answer to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC). Check out NARUC's website for plenty of info...
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Oct 30, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
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If they can't do so, why not?
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Oct 30, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
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One could make that conclusion, Chief. There is a non-zero possibility of that, I suppose, but the chance of it happening is virtually nil given all the repercussions of such a decision. I'm still unsure of the point you are trying to make.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 30, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
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"Appears no one has a viable and authentic answer for JL's question...."
Sure I do,but I was doing something you ,Chef ,are not familiar with,WORKING.
Largo,Let us start with the obvious,Solar.
Only in the last 6 years since Jimmy Carter was potus ,has it been subsidized.
Not nearly enough to get the ball rolling.YET.
Secondly,Wind,turbines,mills.[hardly subsidized]
And please do not tell me ,sometimes the wind does not blow.
If any of you have been near the Great Lakes you would know ,it screams daily,year around.
Third,Biofuels,diesel,and natural gas capture.[not subsidized]
Again ,do not tell me about ethanol,or corn derived fuels,they are just an excuse to take taxpayer money.Highly subsidized and as harmful to the planet as any out there.
Fourth,Battery development,fuel cell tech.The DOE has severely cut back on funding any of these programs.Right here in Honeoye Falls ,NY, we had a GM plant close last year .
That plant worked on Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology.Those were not floor sweeper jobs that were lost here.
Call it what you will[I know you will call it socialism],but that technology will be lost here in the states.Instead ,Japan will introduce the first hydrogen car ,and soon.
Look up "The Liquid Metal Battery".That will be a game changer for RENEWABLES.
There are others and they are not THEORIES.
Geo thermal is one ,small scale Hydro another.These are all industries ,both small and medium.
They have no significant lobbies in DC,nor the funding,or subsides of the "MACHINE" that is the FF industry.
So keep using federally subsidized FF's ,and be sure to call everyone a hypocrite ,or ,better yet a socialist.
SO THERE YOU ARE ,SHOOT EM' DOWN.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 30, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
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The Civ Contractors don't fight and die.
They don't do the dying part Fartmental. Just the cashing in on the taxpayers money.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Oct 30, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
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Glad that you learned that even non-merc contractors were killed in Iraq, and many more injured.
You are making good progress, Chief.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 30, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
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Rick Poedtke wrote:
You do realize GARY that those dudes hanging off the bridge were each EX-DELTA and SEAL Operators. Combined having over 34 years Active Duty and some 22 years actual Combat time. Working Private Security Escort for Blackwater and their deaths initiated one of the fiercest battles in the Iraqi war.
Were they contractors, Rick?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
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For well over 1000 years the Roman Catholic Church dictated that JC was God and that any manner of salvation in the after life was through believing in him and the RC Church. ...
That was the 100% CONSENSUS of the rule amongst 100's of millions of humans for a long ass time.
WE today know a little better. Don't we PHOOOLE.
This CAGW issue is no different. Not one bit. To say that it is complete ego based BS!
Wow, now The Chief is saying there is no difference between religious belief and science.
Just pointing out who you're trying to "debate."
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 31, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
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Obviously Sketch has not learned to read Science. Presumably that study was flagged for him by one of his bloggers, who spun it for him as something against ACC.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 31, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
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It was posted two hours ago at "whats up with that"
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 31, 2013 - 04:43pm PT
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It was posted two hours ago at "whats up with that"
Ah but of course! Sketch our bright light.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Oct 31, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
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Go thru the vid Sketch and you will see that they don't disagree with the global surface temp reconstructions for that time as well. They are saying the ocean may have a larger buffering effect for warming than we think. That just means we may have a little more time than we thought.
They also say that unusual things are happening, so they are not sure whether we will be helped or hurt by this buffering, as it may turn on us at some point.
And if you don't just cherry pick the paper, then you must also agree with the researchers that the recent ocean warming is happening at an unprecedented rate during the Holocene and is caused by man.
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/31/10000-year-study-finds-oceans-warming-fast-but-from-a-cool-baseline/?_r=0
A quote from the article Sketch did not think was relevant:
“We’re experimenting by putting all this heat in the ocean without quite knowing how it’s going to come back out and affect climate,” said study coauthor Braddock Linsley, a climate scientist at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. “It’s not so much the magnitude of the change, but the rate of change.”
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 31, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
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Hey Tenth Grade Teapartier,Did you realize that every one of those compounds involved in making Solar panels is/are recyclable.
That means those compounds are not sprayed into our atmosphere and diluted into our water,instead can be reused to build more solar panels.
Just did not think into it that deep,aye?
Yeah just go with FF's,They are actually good for the planet.
THIS IS THE KIND OF SH#T ONE MUST DEAL WITH HERE,REAL SOUND THINKING.
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